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A public DNS with unique canonical names would be nice, but we don't have one of those. The DNS we actually have is inconsistent for several reasons: replicatio

A public DNS with unique canonical names would be nice, but we don't have one of those. The DNS we actually have is inconsistent for several reasons: replication lag, ownership disputes, legal and political disputes (governments disagree what content is ok), VPNs with custom entries, firewalls, host files, etc, etc. URIs are incredibly important and deserve a more solid foundation to build upon. To make them truly unique, we should use some form of GUIDs. Pet names are a usability layer on top of GUIDs for us humans , but we should communicate the GUID instead of or alongside the pet name.

vog 10y ago
Take this idea one step further, and you have IPFS, which is a very promising approach: https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/
- chris_wot 10y ago
  I tried to setup ipfs on El Capitan yesterday. I stalked the OS X Homebrew FUSE package, mounted ipfs and it immediately fails complaining too many file descriptors are being used. ipfs is awesome, but I want to first be able to mount it as the file system :-)
  - matt_kantor 10y ago
    I haven't tried using IPFS, but the default ulimit setting on OS X is tragically low. You might want to try bumping it up.
    - chris_wot 10y ago
      I tried - increased it to unlimited and it still had the same error :-( I have zero knowledge of Go, so not even sure how to start troubleshooting.
- fiatjaf 10y ago
  IPFS is certainly not this idea taken one step further. It is a totally different thing.
  - chilicuil 10y ago
    If we're talking about linking names to resources, ipfs/ipns is not a different thing https://github.com/ipfs/examples/tree/master/examples/ipns https://github.com/ipfs/examples/tree/master/examples/ipns
- lolidaisuki 10y ago
  It's like everyone just forgot Freenet when IPFS came around. Compared to Freenet IPFS is very boring and uninnovative.
nitrogen 10y ago
A public DNS with unique canonical names would be nice, but we don't have one of those. Even IP addresses aren't strictly "unique". Very recently HN users were complaining about the same Sci-hub donation page showing different Bitcoin addresses in different regions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11636331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11636331
apichat 10y ago
Universal unique canonical names are not a good thing because the problem of name squatting exists. It's why relative names and forkable registry is a good solution. But in some cultural context where a registry is mainstream, names are almost unique. Here are some explanations : - http://seenthis.net/messages/358071 http://seenthis.net/messages/358071 - https://gnunet.org/sites/default/files/paper_cans2014_camera_ready.pdf https://gnunet.org/sites/default/files/paper_cans2014_camera... > 3.3 Relative Names for Transitivity of Delegations > Users can delegate control over a subdomain to another user’s zone by indicating this in a new record
- zeveb 10y ago
  > Universal unique canonical names are not a good thing because the problem of name squatting exists. They're not a good idea when they are user-friendly, because of domain squatting. But `ebbfed3a54f82da274b51df5c5f1fcd8644edc0b5beb86643a0e177f1cb4ad60` is a perfectly good universal, unique, canonical name, and `(ebbfed3a54f82da274b51df5c5f1fcd8644edc0b5beb86643a0e177f1cb4ad60 foo)` is a good relative name, rooted in a universally-unique name.
  - apichat 10y ago
    I agree.
JonathonW 10y ago
That's why I said "should" and not "does". If everything goes right in DNS, you and I can both type "https://news.ycombinator.com/" https://news.ycombinator.com/" into our browsers and end up reading Hacker News. The workflow to get to the same end result (viewing HN) doesn't seem immediately clear to me with GNS/GNUnet. I'm assuming I'd either have to track down YC's public key (where?) to add them as a petname, or transitively reach them via some other user that I trust.
- zeveb 10y ago
  > The workflow to get to the same end result (viewing HN) doesn't seem immediately clear to me with GNS/GNUnet. I'm assuming I'd either have to track down YC's public key (where?) to add them as a petname, or transitively reach them via some other user that I trust. Presumably you'd type something like `news.ycombinator.com.network-solutions.gnu`, since right now you are (ultimately) trusting Network Solutions to Do the Right Thing.
pklausler 10y ago
Distinct, not unique.

vog 10y ago

Take this idea one step further, and you have IPFS, which is a very promising approach: https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/

chris_wot 10y ago
I tried to setup ipfs on El Capitan yesterday. I stalked the OS X Homebrew FUSE package, mounted ipfs and it immediately fails complaining too many file descriptors are being used. ipfs is awesome, but I want to first be able to mount it as the file system :-)
- matt_kantor 10y ago
  I haven't tried using IPFS, but the default ulimit setting on OS X is tragically low. You might want to try bumping it up.
  - chris_wot 10y ago
    I tried - increased it to unlimited and it still had the same error :-( I have zero knowledge of Go, so not even sure how to start troubleshooting.
fiatjaf 10y ago
IPFS is certainly not this idea taken one step further. It is a totally different thing.
- chilicuil 10y ago
  If we're talking about linking names to resources, ipfs/ipns is not a different thing https://github.com/ipfs/examples/tree/master/examples/ipns https://github.com/ipfs/examples/tree/master/examples/ipns
lolidaisuki 10y ago
It's like everyone just forgot Freenet when IPFS came around. Compared to Freenet IPFS is very boring and uninnovative.

nitrogen 10y ago

A public DNS with unique canonical names would be nice, but we don't have one of those. Even IP addresses aren't strictly "unique". Very recently HN users were complaining about the same Sci-hub donation page showing different Bitcoin addresses in different regions: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11636331 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11636331

apichat 10y ago

Universal unique canonical names are not a good thing because the problem of name squatting exists. It's why relative names and forkable registry is a good solution. But in some cultural context where a registry is mainstream, names are almost unique. Here are some explanations : - http://seenthis.net/messages/358071 http://seenthis.net/messages/358071 - https://gnunet.org/sites/default/files/paper_cans2014_camera_ready.pdf https://gnunet.org/sites/default/files/paper_cans2014_camera... > 3.3 Relative Names for Transitivity of Delegations > Users can delegate control over a subdomain to another user’s zone by indicating this in a new record

zeveb 10y ago
> Universal unique canonical names are not a good thing because the problem of name squatting exists. They're not a good idea when they are user-friendly, because of domain squatting. But `ebbfed3a54f82da274b51df5c5f1fcd8644edc0b5beb86643a0e177f1cb4ad60` is a perfectly good universal, unique, canonical name, and `(ebbfed3a54f82da274b51df5c5f1fcd8644edc0b5beb86643a0e177f1cb4ad60 foo)` is a good relative name, rooted in a universally-unique name.
- apichat 10y ago
  I agree.

JonathonW 10y ago

That's why I said "should" and not "does". If everything goes right in DNS, you and I can both type "https://news.ycombinator.com/" https://news.ycombinator.com/" into our browsers and end up reading Hacker News. The workflow to get to the same end result (viewing HN) doesn't seem immediately clear to me with GNS/GNUnet. I'm assuming I'd either have to track down YC's public key (where?) to add them as a petname, or transitively reach them via some other user that I trust.

zeveb 10y ago
> The workflow to get to the same end result (viewing HN) doesn't seem immediately clear to me with GNS/GNUnet. I'm assuming I'd either have to track down YC's public key (where?) to add them as a petname, or transitively reach them via some other user that I trust. Presumably you'd type something like `news.ycombinator.com.network-solutions.gnu`, since right now you are (ultimately) trusting Network Solutions to Do the Right Thing.

pklausler 10y ago

Distinct, not unique.