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It looked legitimate except for the part where you didn't have to go any classes or learn anything. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand that goes again

It looked legitimate except for the part where you didn't have to go any classes or learn anything. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand that goes against the spirit of the law - and if your intent is to walk that line not getting a lawyer is irresponsible.

Coincoin 11y ago
However, the university always had a reason to postpone the courses, just like scammers. In that story, the university was the scammer, always asking for a few more days to "get their money back" and giving them a good faith gift as soon as students started asking questions. Then, the government punished them for biting to the government run scam.
caf 11y ago
Isn't this made a bit murkier by the fact that practical training through work experience can be a legitimate part of such a course of study? It's not like they were working at maccas or something.
- slededit 11y ago
  There are other visas for that. I did an internship on a J-1 for example. I would find it hard to believe these students didn't know what they were doing was questionable.
vilhelm_s 11y ago
I feel like basically everything about immigration law seems to go against the spirit of the law in that sense. E.g., one of the most common ways to get a work permit in the US is to do a university degree, then you get to work for one year ("OPT"), during which your employer can apply for an H1B visa for you. But the literal meaning of OPT is "optional practical training", and your job is referred to as "practical training" in all documents. Of course it's nothing of the sort, it's just a job. For me, coming from a foreign country, this seems super dodgy and against the spirit of the law. But it's completely standard and above-the-board.
Alex3917 11y ago
> It looked legitimate except for the part where you didn't have to go any classes or learn anything. So just like most Ivy League schools?
SilasX 11y ago
Laws that are self-defeating to their ostensible purpose are almost the norm at this point, though. I don't expect anyone, as a matter of law, to say "wait, that's ridiculous, that incentivizes me to do X, when obviously the law exists to promote not-X, so obviously this scheme to ramp up our X is shady." If you want an example, here's one off the cuff: the law that says you can only bring free water out at restaurants if the patron asks. If anything, the automatic water displaces the consumption of other drinks, which generally require other ag products that are far more rainwater intense per liter consumed. So if I'm a waiter, am I undermining or supporting "the spirit of that law" if I remind people to ask?
- jacalata 11y ago
  Where is that law? I know tons of restaurants that offer free water without being asked.
  - SilasX 11y ago
    Recent California thing: http://sf.eater.com/2015/3/17/8237891/serving-water-california-prohibited-without-request-bars-restaurants http://sf.eater.com/2015/3/17/8237891/serving-water-californ...

Coincoin 11y ago

However, the university always had a reason to postpone the courses, just like scammers. In that story, the university was the scammer, always asking for a few more days to "get their money back" and giving them a good faith gift as soon as students started asking questions. Then, the government punished them for biting to the government run scam.

caf 11y ago

Isn't this made a bit murkier by the fact that practical training through work experience can be a legitimate part of such a course of study? It's not like they were working at maccas or something.

slededit 11y ago
There are other visas for that. I did an internship on a J-1 for example. I would find it hard to believe these students didn't know what they were doing was questionable.

vilhelm_s 11y ago

I feel like basically everything about immigration law seems to go against the spirit of the law in that sense. E.g., one of the most common ways to get a work permit in the US is to do a university degree, then you get to work for one year ("OPT"), during which your employer can apply for an H1B visa for you. But the literal meaning of OPT is "optional practical training", and your job is referred to as "practical training" in all documents. Of course it's nothing of the sort, it's just a job. For me, coming from a foreign country, this seems super dodgy and against the spirit of the law. But it's completely standard and above-the-board.

Alex3917 11y ago

> It looked legitimate except for the part where you didn't have to go any classes or learn anything. So just like most Ivy League schools?

SilasX 11y ago

Laws that are self-defeating to their ostensible purpose are almost the norm at this point, though. I don't expect anyone, as a matter of law, to say "wait, that's ridiculous, that incentivizes me to do X, when obviously the law exists to promote not-X, so obviously this scheme to ramp up our X is shady." If you want an example, here's one off the cuff: the law that says you can only bring free water out at restaurants if the patron asks. If anything, the automatic water displaces the consumption of other drinks, which generally require other ag products that are far more rainwater intense per liter consumed. So if I'm a waiter, am I undermining or supporting "the spirit of that law" if I remind people to ask?

jacalata 11y ago
Where is that law? I know tons of restaurants that offer free water without being asked.
- SilasX 11y ago
  Recent California thing: http://sf.eater.com/2015/3/17/8237891/serving-water-california-prohibited-without-request-bars-restaurants http://sf.eater.com/2015/3/17/8237891/serving-water-californ...