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I don't understand why people consider sex a moral issue. This is a deeply personal issue and when done between consenting adults affects no one else. Why shoul

by joesmo 10y ago

I don't understand why people consider sex a moral issue. This is a deeply personal issue and when done between consenting adults affects no one else. Why should it matter with whom one has sex with if all parties consent? It seems to me that people that want to put limits on this are simply overstepping their bounds because they can and they want to force their ideas onto others in an effort to control and dominate others. I mean the stated purpose of Amnesty International, according to some members, "should be to end demand for prostitution, not condone it." These people must be delusional, even more delusional than the anti-drug warriors who love to kill, imprison, and enslave. Interestingly enough, the outcome of both is the same. These delusional people are the ones who need to be regulated as making sex a moral issue has indeed led to horrors that would have otherwise been avoided. I wouldn't even say they have good intentions in this case as it's obvious what happens when sex is made into a moral issue. We have the evidence and we know. We also know what happens when it's not and people are allowed to have sex with whomever they want for whatever they want. To still want to control who people have sex with and under what terms after knowing all this is to intentionally support all the negatives of having sex be a moral issue and outlawed in most places: human trafficking, slavery, etc. These people making moral judgements about an amoral topic are the ones providing the foundation for the global sex trade. Shame on them indeed.

DanBC 10y ago
> Why should it matter with whom one has sex with if all parties consent? So, there are some people who'll say that any paid for sex is wrong, even if all people involved are freely able to make the choice. Let's ignore those people for a moment. > Why should it matter with whom one has sex with if all parties consent? 48 year old buys sex from a 15 year old? Neither are in debt, or have drug addiction. Each say it's their free choice. Is that a problem? Person buys sex from other person. The person selling sex has a drug addiction, and is using sex work as a method to buy drugs. Is the seller able to give consent in this situation? There are many more, and these feel like moral judgements to be made, and it doesn't feel unreasonable to try to work out where the border between acceptable and unacceptable is.
- PeterisP 10y ago
  When a 48 year old buys sex from a 15 year old then we can treat it exactly in the same manner as if a 48 year old would want buy e.g. inherited real estate from the same 15 year old - we simply acknowledge that the minor isn't able to grant informed consent and is likely to be exploited, so we don't consider the transaction consentual. A 68 year old buying sex from a 18 year old - why not, it happens e.g. in marriage/"golddigging" scenarios? I mean, I can at the same time morally dislike some behavior and also acknowledge that I do not and should not have any right (moral or legal) to prohibit that behavior if they wish to do so.
combatentropy 10y ago
> I don't understand why people consider sex a moral issue. This is a deeply personal issue and when done between consenting adults affects no one else. I guess for the same reasons we make other personal decisions illegal, like suicide and the use of certain drugs. C. S. Lewis once gave a metaphor. In a fleet of ships, if one fires on another, that of course is bad and should be illegal. But also if a ship's internal mechanisms are so bad that the ship careens into others, that is bad too. Promiscuous sex spreads disease. Before the 1960s in the US, there were two main STDs, and both curable: syphilis and gonnorhea. After the '60s, it ballooned into a nationwide epidemic, and now we also have chlamydia, HIV, HPV (causes more deaths than HIV), and many others. Another common-sense splash of water is to ask the question, "Would you want your child to grow up to be a prostitute?" I don't see how the exploitation and abuse will end just by making it legal, either.
- duckingtest 10y ago
  Would you want your children to grow up to be a burger flipper?
- tluyben2 10y ago
  > I guess for the same reasons we make other personal decisions illegal, like suicide and the use of certain drugs. They shouldn't be illegal either imho.
Mz 10y ago
I don't understand why people consider sex a moral issue. I believe we treat it as a moral issue because when things go wrong, it negatively impacts the lives of many people, not just the person or persons who messed up. If a child is conceived under poor circumstances, it isn't just the man and woman who suffer. The child suffers and so does all of society. Plus, diseases (very serious ones) and other complications abound. Please note: I am for decriminilization of sex work. I think decriminilization reduces problems. So I am not saying we should handle sex as a moral issue -- at least, not in the sense of "and that justifies people being very controlling and judgey about it." I am just explaining why I think it gets treated that way.

by joesmo 10y ago

DanBC 10y ago

> Why should it matter with whom one has sex with if all parties consent? So, there are some people who'll say that any paid for sex is wrong, even if all people involved are freely able to make the choice. Let's ignore those people for a moment. > Why should it matter with whom one has sex with if all parties consent? 48 year old buys sex from a 15 year old? Neither are in debt, or have drug addiction. Each say it's their free choice. Is that a problem? Person buys sex from other person. The person selling sex has a drug addiction, and is using sex work as a method to buy drugs. Is the seller able to give consent in this situation? There are many more, and these feel like moral judgements to be made, and it doesn't feel unreasonable to try to work out where the border between acceptable and unacceptable is.

PeterisP 10y ago
When a 48 year old buys sex from a 15 year old then we can treat it exactly in the same manner as if a 48 year old would want buy e.g. inherited real estate from the same 15 year old - we simply acknowledge that the minor isn't able to grant informed consent and is likely to be exploited, so we don't consider the transaction consentual. A 68 year old buying sex from a 18 year old - why not, it happens e.g. in marriage/"golddigging" scenarios? I mean, I can at the same time morally dislike some behavior and also acknowledge that I do not and should not have any right (moral or legal) to prohibit that behavior if they wish to do so.

combatentropy 10y ago

> I don't understand why people consider sex a moral issue. This is a deeply personal issue and when done between consenting adults affects no one else. I guess for the same reasons we make other personal decisions illegal, like suicide and the use of certain drugs. C. S. Lewis once gave a metaphor. In a fleet of ships, if one fires on another, that of course is bad and should be illegal. But also if a ship's internal mechanisms are so bad that the ship careens into others, that is bad too. Promiscuous sex spreads disease. Before the 1960s in the US, there were two main STDs, and both curable: syphilis and gonnorhea. After the '60s, it ballooned into a nationwide epidemic, and now we also have chlamydia, HIV, HPV (causes more deaths than HIV), and many others. Another common-sense splash of water is to ask the question, "Would you want your child to grow up to be a prostitute?" I don't see how the exploitation and abuse will end just by making it legal, either.

duckingtest 10y ago
Would you want your children to grow up to be a burger flipper?
tluyben2 10y ago
> I guess for the same reasons we make other personal decisions illegal, like suicide and the use of certain drugs. They shouldn't be illegal either imho.

Mz 10y ago

I don't understand why people consider sex a moral issue. I believe we treat it as a moral issue because when things go wrong, it negatively impacts the lives of many people, not just the person or persons who messed up. If a child is conceived under poor circumstances, it isn't just the man and woman who suffer. The child suffers and so does all of society. Plus, diseases (very serious ones) and other complications abound. Please note: I am for decriminilization of sex work. I think decriminilization reduces problems. So I am not saying we should handle sex as a moral issue -- at least, not in the sense of "and that justifies people being very controlling and judgey about it." I am just explaining why I think it gets treated that way.