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> I'm curious what leads you to believe this? All the available sales data, such as this: http://www.journalnow.com/blu-ecigs-brand-has-lost-market-share/arti

> I'm curious what leads you to believe this? All the available sales data, such as this: http://www.journalnow.com/blu-ecigs-brand-has-lost-market-share/article_ecf67d3e-f1fb-5218-b3da-4e8444d94446.html http://www.journalnow.com/blu-ecigs-brand-has-lost-market-sh... According to Nielsen data as of May 16, Vuse has a 35.7 percent U.S. market share as measured by all distribution channels for e-cigs. Vuse is available at more than 100,000 retail outlets nationwide. Blu eCigs was second in market share at 22.7 percent, while Logic was third at 13.8 percent. Logic was bought recently by Japan Tobacco. There is a lot of data missing from independent vape shops, yes. But the numbers we have indicate Big Tobacco is moving near a billion dollars worth of e-cigs a year. > Anyone serious about using an ecig uses the larger 650 (minimum) mah batteries with detachable ~atomizers (because nothing smaller than that performs adequately) and those are manufactured almost exclusively by independent Chinese companies and sold via independent websites and retail stores. People serious about coffee buy their own beans sourced from great growers, get a grinder, etc etc. Nevertheless, the vast majority of the millions of people who buy coffee get it from places like McDonald's and Starbucks and instant coffee containers. And at any rate, parts and liquids sourced from independent Chinese companies and sold via independent websites sounds exactly like the kind of thing that should be regulated and inspected.

mistermann 11y ago
> Nielsen data focuses primarily on convenience-store sales. Data includes vaporizers, or open vapor products, but those are more frequently bought at vape shops and tobacco outlet stores. > Nevertheless, the vast majority of the millions of people who buy coffee get it from places like McDonald's and Starbucks and instant coffee containers. I suppose one might think this is a valid comparison, but it simply is not. Try this: for the next few weeks when you're out and about, pay attention to the types of ecigs people are using in public, I guarantee you it isn't the tiny Blu or Vuse disposables; I see at least 25 people a day using ecigs in the wild, and I have literally never seen anyone using one of these disposables that is being reported on in that statistic. Or if you are genuinely curious in discovering the correct answer to this question: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=vuse&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=vuse&... https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=blu&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=blu&r...
- throwanem 11y ago
  Possible you live in a bubble. (Or more than possible. I mean, you're treating Reddit as representative.) I've seen a couple of custom-assembled vapes out and about, and a hell of a lot of gas station disposables.
  - mistermann 11y ago
    > a hell of a lot of gas station disposables. Based on the virtually unanimous opinion on reddit (or any other ecig forum for that matter) that disposables suck, as well as never seeing them in public, I find that "a little" hard to believe.
    - throwanem 11y ago
      No doubt. After all, it plainly doesn't suit your prejudice on the matter.
      - mistermann 11y ago
        My prejudice has no effect on reality though, does it? So what is the reality?
    - nyolfen 11y ago
      seconding your anecdote. I use an ecig myself, and I live next to a college campus -- I'd probably say I see about five people a day using them. I have never seen someone using one of the cig-like disposable types.
      - dragonwriter 11y ago
        > I use an ecig myself, and I live next to a college campus And college campuses (and the areas around them) are totally a representative cross-section of the general; population on all things, including mechanisms of tobacco consumption, right?

mistermann 11y ago

> Nielsen data focuses primarily on convenience-store sales. Data includes vaporizers, or open vapor products, but those are more frequently bought at vape shops and tobacco outlet stores. > Nevertheless, the vast majority of the millions of people who buy coffee get it from places like McDonald's and Starbucks and instant coffee containers. I suppose one might think this is a valid comparison, but it simply is not. Try this: for the next few weeks when you're out and about, pay attention to the types of ecigs people are using in public, I guarantee you it isn't the tiny Blu or Vuse disposables; I see at least 25 people a day using ecigs in the wild, and I have literally never seen anyone using one of these disposables that is being reported on in that statistic. Or if you are genuinely curious in discovering the correct answer to this question: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=vuse&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=vuse&... https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=blu&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/search?q=blu&r...

throwanem 11y ago
Possible you live in a bubble. (Or more than possible. I mean, you're treating Reddit as representative.) I've seen a couple of custom-assembled vapes out and about, and a hell of a lot of gas station disposables.
- mistermann 11y ago
  > a hell of a lot of gas station disposables. Based on the virtually unanimous opinion on reddit (or any other ecig forum for that matter) that disposables suck, as well as never seeing them in public, I find that "a little" hard to believe.
  - throwanem 11y ago
    No doubt. After all, it plainly doesn't suit your prejudice on the matter.
    - mistermann 11y ago
      My prejudice has no effect on reality though, does it? So what is the reality?
  - nyolfen 11y ago
    seconding your anecdote. I use an ecig myself, and I live next to a college campus -- I'd probably say I see about five people a day using them. I have never seen someone using one of the cig-like disposable types.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > I use an ecig myself, and I live next to a college campus And college campuses (and the areas around them) are totally a representative cross-section of the general; population on all things, including mechanisms of tobacco consumption, right?