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What's impressive about Kanye is that when he reached the peak of the particular art form he was in (his music), he was willing to start on a whole new art form

What's impressive about Kanye is that when he reached the peak of the particular art form he was in (his music), he was willing to start on a whole new art form, where it was sure that he would initially have to go through a pain process. That's what we all have to do. Not just keep repeating the same shit in slightly different forms, but go somewhere else and do something new. You can't know what you don't know till you've been somewhere you haven't ever been.

andrewcooke 17y ago
hi - i don't know much about the guy, except that he's a rap artist. what's the new art form?
- CoachRufus87 17y ago
  there's more than one form of rap
  - andrewcooke 17y ago
    that's true, but Not just keep repeating the same shit in slightly different forms, but go somewhere else and do something new gave me slightly higher expectations, all the same.
- starkfist 17y ago
  what's the new art form? Autotune. He also assembled a team of people hipper than himself to do research and development for him. In this way he's similar to contemporary artists like murakami, hirst and koons in that he's more of a manager, while his employees do the work of figuring out what's hip and helping him incorporate that into his music, videos and fashion sense.
  - retro 17y ago
    What's Autotune? Auto-Tune was also used to produce the prominent altered vocal effect on Cher's "Believe," recorded in 1998. When first interviewed about this, the sound engineers claimed that they had used a vocoder, in what Sound on Sound perceived as an attempt to preserve a trade secret.[7] After the massive success of "Believe," many artists imitated the technique. It was evident in songs of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Some notable examples are Gigi D'Agostino's "La Passion" and Janet Jackson's US #1 hit "All For You," among many others. After years of relative dormancy, the effect was revived in the mid-2000s by R&B singer T-Pain, who elaborated on the effect in contemporary popular music by making active use of it in his songs, a style that has since gone on to be imitated by numerous other R&B and pop artists[8] such as Kanye West and, more recently, Jamie Foxx in his hit song, "Blame It".[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune
    - dasil003 17y ago
      Jay-Z also made a much needed musical commentary on autotune: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.O.A._(Death_of_Auto-Tune) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.O.A._(Death_of_Auto-Tune) Personally, I think the hordes of talentless R&B "singers" using auto-tune have completely destroyed its creative potential. I cringe every time I hear it.
- sachinag 17y ago
  He, essentially, wrote and performed a bunch of love songs and ballads on 808s and Heartbreak. Sure, they're Auto-Tuned out of their gourds, but they're heartfelt love songs, all about a girl who left him. On some, he's angry at her, and on some, he's doing his standard "I'm awesome" thing. But, as you can imagine, most rappers don't do a concept album all about the girl who broke his heart.
  - mrtron 17y ago
    The additional point that maxklein made was this was coming off one of the best softcore, pop rap albums of all time. It sold something like a million in a week, and then was huge worldwide. He could have made another album like Graduation and sold 10 times the records 808 did. If you want to gain some respect for Kanye, go download the Graduation album and listen to it start to finish. Not only is it great, but it is very introspective and self-critical.
    - sachinag 17y ago
      Absolutely - the dude's not the best rapper, but he's easily the best lyricist of this generation.
      - starkfist 17y ago
        indeed How could you be so Dr. Evil You're bringing out a side of me that I don't know I decided we weren't gonna speak so why we up 3 a.m. on the phone Why does she be so mad at me for, homie I don't know she's hot and cold I won't stop, won't mess my groove up cause I already know how this thing goes, You run and tell your friends that you're leavin' me They say that they don't see what you see in me You wait a couple months then you gon' see, You'll never find nobody better than me It's pure poetry. Never matched or surpassed. He's truly the Bob Dylan of our times.
        ibsulon 17y ago
        No. Bob Dylan is still the Bob Dylan of our times. Go listen to Modern Times or Love and Theft again. In the genre, I'll still put Common above Kanye in lyrics, and so would Jay-Z. How about The Roots? Kayne, as a producer, does great work. His lyrics are usually good. (I'm not a fan of Misogynist hits like Kanye's Workout Plan or Golddigger, but hey.) But Bob Dylan?

andrewcooke 17y ago

hi - i don't know much about the guy, except that he's a rap artist. what's the new art form?

CoachRufus87 17y ago
there's more than one form of rap
- andrewcooke 17y ago
  that's true, but Not just keep repeating the same shit in slightly different forms, but go somewhere else and do something new gave me slightly higher expectations, all the same.
starkfist 17y ago
what's the new art form? Autotune. He also assembled a team of people hipper than himself to do research and development for him. In this way he's similar to contemporary artists like murakami, hirst and koons in that he's more of a manager, while his employees do the work of figuring out what's hip and helping him incorporate that into his music, videos and fashion sense.
- retro 17y ago
  What's Autotune? Auto-Tune was also used to produce the prominent altered vocal effect on Cher's "Believe," recorded in 1998. When first interviewed about this, the sound engineers claimed that they had used a vocoder, in what Sound on Sound perceived as an attempt to preserve a trade secret.[7] After the massive success of "Believe," many artists imitated the technique. It was evident in songs of the late 1990s and early 2000s. Some notable examples are Gigi D'Agostino's "La Passion" and Janet Jackson's US #1 hit "All For You," among many others. After years of relative dormancy, the effect was revived in the mid-2000s by R&B singer T-Pain, who elaborated on the effect in contemporary popular music by making active use of it in his songs, a style that has since gone on to be imitated by numerous other R&B and pop artists[8] such as Kanye West and, more recently, Jamie Foxx in his hit song, "Blame It".[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune
  - dasil003 17y ago
    Jay-Z also made a much needed musical commentary on autotune: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.O.A._(Death_of_Auto-Tune) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.O.A._(Death_of_Auto-Tune) Personally, I think the hordes of talentless R&B "singers" using auto-tune have completely destroyed its creative potential. I cringe every time I hear it.
sachinag 17y ago
He, essentially, wrote and performed a bunch of love songs and ballads on 808s and Heartbreak. Sure, they're Auto-Tuned out of their gourds, but they're heartfelt love songs, all about a girl who left him. On some, he's angry at her, and on some, he's doing his standard "I'm awesome" thing. But, as you can imagine, most rappers don't do a concept album all about the girl who broke his heart.
- mrtron 17y ago
  The additional point that maxklein made was this was coming off one of the best softcore, pop rap albums of all time. It sold something like a million in a week, and then was huge worldwide. He could have made another album like Graduation and sold 10 times the records 808 did. If you want to gain some respect for Kanye, go download the Graduation album and listen to it start to finish. Not only is it great, but it is very introspective and self-critical.
  - sachinag 17y ago
    Absolutely - the dude's not the best rapper, but he's easily the best lyricist of this generation.
    - starkfist 17y ago
      indeed How could you be so Dr. Evil You're bringing out a side of me that I don't know I decided we weren't gonna speak so why we up 3 a.m. on the phone Why does she be so mad at me for, homie I don't know she's hot and cold I won't stop, won't mess my groove up cause I already know how this thing goes, You run and tell your friends that you're leavin' me They say that they don't see what you see in me You wait a couple months then you gon' see, You'll never find nobody better than me It's pure poetry. Never matched or surpassed. He's truly the Bob Dylan of our times.
      - ibsulon 17y ago
        No. Bob Dylan is still the Bob Dylan of our times. Go listen to Modern Times or Love and Theft again. In the genre, I'll still put Common above Kanye in lyrics, and so would Jay-Z. How about The Roots? Kayne, as a producer, does great work. His lyrics are usually good. (I'm not a fan of Misogynist hits like Kanye's Workout Plan or Golddigger, but hey.) But Bob Dylan?