3 ms·

I suppose it is, yes. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, and given that people can make things, outlawing the ownership of people i

I suppose it is, yes. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, and given that people can make things, outlawing the ownership of people is anti-capitalist.

dmm 11y ago
In that case it must sometimes be necessary to accept anti-capitalist things to preserve important freedoms.
- Nevermark 11y ago
  Capitalism means free enterprise. People are agents who can sell their services or property or not as they see fit. Unless someone agreed to sell themselves into slavery, slavery is not capitalist. Capitalism doesn't mean money rules, although abuse of a capitalist system often involves money being used to corrupt capitalism. Paying politicians, judges, controlling the media, and other forms of corruption or fraud are often labeled "Capitalist" by anti-capitalists, but those things are not capitalist but abuses. An example of a genuine critique of capitalism (or the limits of it), is to point out that each of us has benefited from our governments social investment in us, such as education, and we should therefore all contribute to educating the next generation. This is not a capitalist arrangement in the sense that individuals are being both given education and required to pay for the next generation without express agreement with each individual. But recognizing the usefulness of some non-capitalist arrangements is not the same as being anti-capitalist. Most people who say they want capitalism to overrule all other concerns are actually people who want their money to overrule other concerns and are deceptively using the name "capitalism" to hide their parasitic agenda.
AndrewUnmuted 11y ago
I think you need to check your premise. People are not a means of production. The means of production are the things that support a producer's ability to produce. Owning a human being means owning the fruits of that person's productive labor, which would imply a non-private ownership of the means of that person's productive achievement.

I suppose it is, yes. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production, and given that people can make things, outlawing the ownership of people is anti-capitalist.

dmm 11y ago

In that case it must sometimes be necessary to accept anti-capitalist things to preserve important freedoms.

Nevermark 11y ago
Capitalism means free enterprise. People are agents who can sell their services or property or not as they see fit. Unless someone agreed to sell themselves into slavery, slavery is not capitalist. Capitalism doesn't mean money rules, although abuse of a capitalist system often involves money being used to corrupt capitalism. Paying politicians, judges, controlling the media, and other forms of corruption or fraud are often labeled "Capitalist" by anti-capitalists, but those things are not capitalist but abuses. An example of a genuine critique of capitalism (or the limits of it), is to point out that each of us has benefited from our governments social investment in us, such as education, and we should therefore all contribute to educating the next generation. This is not a capitalist arrangement in the sense that individuals are being both given education and required to pay for the next generation without express agreement with each individual. But recognizing the usefulness of some non-capitalist arrangements is not the same as being anti-capitalist. Most people who say they want capitalism to overrule all other concerns are actually people who want their money to overrule other concerns and are deceptively using the name "capitalism" to hide their parasitic agenda.

AndrewUnmuted 11y ago

I think you need to check your premise. People are not a means of production. The means of production are the things that support a producer's ability to produce. Owning a human being means owning the fruits of that person's productive labor, which would imply a non-private ownership of the means of that person's productive achievement.