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The flip side of this is: “All purported students are recorded at some point or another fully going along with the pay-to-stay scheme.” There are both audio a
by dsp1234 10y ago
The flip side of this is:
“All purported students are recorded at some point or another fully going along with the pay-to-stay scheme.”
There are both audio and video recordings from the president’s office in New Jersey, when students called or visited, Mr. Phillips said. He personally witnessed some of these exchanges, and heard students admit they knew the university would not have classes.
If that's true, then it's going to be hard to convince a judge that the student thought it wasn't a scam. Clear evidence of the student agreeing to attend the university even though it would never host a class is hard to refute.
- bovermyer 10y agoBut if this "university" was a government-run thing, isn't that entrapment?
- trentmb 10y agoIf it wasn't government run, and they would have still 'enrolled' anyway, no.
- kristjansson 10y agoThough arguably, if it wasn't 'accredited', many of the students probably wouldn't have enrolled, and it was only accredited 'to cooperate with the government's investigation'...
- gozur88 10y agoEntrapment is only a defense when the cops induce you to do something that you wouldn't have done anyway. They're going to have a hard time using the entrapment defense if they deliberately searched out a university that clearly wasn't in the business of teaching students.
- aplusbi 10y agoIf I were in their shoes, I would find the university very suspect, and possibly unethical. But if I saw that they were an accredited university and certified by DHS, I'd assume that they were exploiting a legal loophole.
- themartorana 10y agoNot to mention as above did, that they were promised credits for work experience, which is common at colleges, and removes the idea of "no classes" as a red flag if your workplace is considered a classroom.
- fucking_tragedy 10y agoThis is a claim by the prosecution and doesn't necessarily reflect the reality of the situation.
- mmanfrin 10y agoAccording to some students, brokers assured them that they could immediately earn credit hours for their work experience in a program called Curricular Practical Training, without taking classes 'Work Experience', 'Internships', this sort of work-for-credit system exists on every major college campus in the US. Is it inconceivable that you can see people talking about such things and consider not going explicitly to a class as still being above board?