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If we assume that childhood obesity is a reasonable proxy for health, then Chicago is healthier than my state: 25% vs 31%. [1] [2] (I use state because nobody i

If we assume that childhood obesity is a reasonable proxy for health, then Chicago is healthier than my state: 25% vs 31%. [1] [2] (I use state because nobody is publishing statistics on the local level.) > Try that with one of those dorky e-cig pens. They just pass them around if someone doesn't have one. [1] http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/cdph/CDPH/OverweightObesityReportFeb272013.pdf http://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/cdph/CDP... [2] http://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/3593.pdf http://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/resources/3593.pdf

tptacek 11y ago
They really don't.
- Amezarak 11y ago
  I'm not speculating. I'm telling you what I see daily in front of the school.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    I remain skeptical. I did some research, and the reports I found suggest that e-cig usage among teenagers is rare relative to cigarettes, and that most teenage e-cig users are former cigarette smokers. And again, as a parent of two children in roughly this age group, what you're saying you see every day conflicts with my own experience. I think you're wrong about the general argument you're trying to make about e-cigarettes.
    - Retric 11y ago
      About 5 of every 100 middle school students (5.3%) reported in 2015 that they used electronic cigarettes in the past 30 days—an increase from 0.6% in 2011. About 2 of every 100 middle school students (2.3%) reported in 2015 that they smoked cigarettes in the past 30 days. http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth_data/tobacco_use/ http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth... Findings from the 2014 National Youth Tobacco Survey show that current e-cigarette use (use on at least 1 day in the past 30 days) among high school students increased from 4.5 percent in 2013 to 13.4 percent in 2014, rising from approximately 660,000 to 2 million students http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2015/p0416-e-cigarette-use.html http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2015/p0416-e-cigarette-use... PS: Why do you constantly say stuff like this when fact's are clearly not on your side?
      - tptacek 11y ago
        I got my assertion from: http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_959.pdf http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_959.pdf
      - WillPostForFood 11y ago
        But note that on the page you cite it says that overall tobacco use in middle school has not changed since 2011. So kids are substituting a more dangerous product (cigarettes) for a less dangerous product (vaping).
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        Retric 11y ago
        That's reversing a long term trend of decreasing tobacco use among middle school students. Current usage patterns mean e-sig users tend to go back to tobacco at some point. Thus e-sig's may in fact act like the mythical 'gateway' drug among middle school students. During 2000--2009, the prevalence of current tobacco use among middle school students declined (15.1% to 8.2%), as did current cigarette use (11.0% to 5.2%) and cigarette smoking experimentation (29.8% to 15.0%) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a2.htm http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a2.htm

tptacek 11y ago

They really don't.

Amezarak 11y ago
I'm not speculating. I'm telling you what I see daily in front of the school.
- tptacek 11y ago
  I remain skeptical. I did some research, and the reports I found suggest that e-cig usage among teenagers is rare relative to cigarettes, and that most teenage e-cig users are former cigarette smokers. And again, as a parent of two children in roughly this age group, what you're saying you see every day conflicts with my own experience. I think you're wrong about the general argument you're trying to make about e-cigarettes.
  - Retric 11y ago
    About 5 of every 100 middle school students (5.3%) reported in 2015 that they used electronic cigarettes in the past 30 days—an increase from 0.6% in 2011. About 2 of every 100 middle school students (2.3%) reported in 2015 that they smoked cigarettes in the past 30 days. http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth_data/tobacco_use/ http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth... Findings from the 2014 National Youth Tobacco Survey show that current e-cigarette use (use on at least 1 day in the past 30 days) among high school students increased from 4.5 percent in 2013 to 13.4 percent in 2014, rising from approximately 660,000 to 2 million students http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2015/p0416-e-cigarette-use.html http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2015/p0416-e-cigarette-use... PS: Why do you constantly say stuff like this when fact's are clearly not on your side?
    - tptacek 11y ago
      I got my assertion from: http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_959.pdf http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_959.pdf
    - WillPostForFood 11y ago
      But note that on the page you cite it says that overall tobacco use in middle school has not changed since 2011. So kids are substituting a more dangerous product (cigarettes) for a less dangerous product (vaping).
      - deleted 11y ago
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      - Retric 11y ago
        That's reversing a long term trend of decreasing tobacco use among middle school students. Current usage patterns mean e-sig users tend to go back to tobacco at some point. Thus e-sig's may in fact act like the mythical 'gateway' drug among middle school students. During 2000--2009, the prevalence of current tobacco use among middle school students declined (15.1% to 8.2%), as did current cigarette use (11.0% to 5.2%) and cigarette smoking experimentation (29.8% to 15.0%) http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a2.htm http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a2.htm