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Wtf? Am I missing something here? People have problems with running propriety javascript? I don't get it. You don't have to install anything and if you're conc

by jbob2000 11y ago

Wtf? Am I missing something here? People have problems with running propriety javascript? I don't get it. You don't have to install anything and if you're concerned about what could be in the javascript, then use incognito mode, tor, a proxy, etc. You're going to increase the cost of web software products exponentially if devs can't use propriety javascript.

streptomycin 11y ago
I think the thing you missed is the existence of people like the Free Software Foundation. There are indeed people who are generally opposed to proprietary software on a philosophical/ethical/moral level.
- kefka 11y ago
  The older I get, and the more software work I do, the more I come in parity to FSF's platform as a whole. IoT is a mess right now, purely because of rent-seeking anti-standards, treacherous computing. Do you own your devices? Hardly! Phillips shut down all 3rd party bulbs, and 'graciously' fixed that after a bad 1 day campaign... but retains the ability to do it again. Google destroyed the Revolv servers for no good reason. It trashed all the devices that relied the purely webAPI implemented hardware. I can go on... In the end, I just get sick and tired of being pulled in 1000 different directions, with as many 'cloud providers', doing that many different bad implementations of the same thing (but as their serf in their castle). Open Source is a way out of local computing problems. Open Standards allows me to bring my business elsewhere when I'm alienated. Open Protocols allows me to communicate with other networks and computers. All are essential.
brbsix 11y ago
This is largely a philosophical and moral issue as opposed to a practical one. It would be something akin to a conscientious objector drafted for military service or an Amish person required to apply for a horse and buggy operator's license via a government website.
mbrock 11y ago
"You're going to increase the cost of web software products exponentially if devs can't use propriety javascript." Why?
- 0x6c6f6c 11y ago
  Something something minified. Minifying the Javascript files admittedly reduces the bandwidth of a server, however providing source code for compiled/minified code can still be handled separately, and remove the argument of bandwidth since a small fraction of users care to look at the source itself.
  - jbob2000 11y ago
    The issue isn't minification, the issue is that the code is proprietary, i.e not written by the developer serving you the webpage. Minification is easy to get around - copy & paste into IDE and autoformat. Anyone who cares enough about the source code knows that they can do this.
- jbob2000 11y ago
  Because then they need to write their own version. For some libraries, this would be a huge amount of work. Could you imagine having to write a replacement for jQuery, or any other handy libraries like moment.js or bootstrap?
  - rakoo 11y ago
    None of those libraries are proprietary, so they don't pose any threat. The issue here is no different than with non-browser javascript, or even non-browser anything.

streptomycin 11y ago

I think the thing you missed is the existence of people like the Free Software Foundation. There are indeed people who are generally opposed to proprietary software on a philosophical/ethical/moral level.

kefka 11y ago
The older I get, and the more software work I do, the more I come in parity to FSF's platform as a whole. IoT is a mess right now, purely because of rent-seeking anti-standards, treacherous computing. Do you own your devices? Hardly! Phillips shut down all 3rd party bulbs, and 'graciously' fixed that after a bad 1 day campaign... but retains the ability to do it again. Google destroyed the Revolv servers for no good reason. It trashed all the devices that relied the purely webAPI implemented hardware. I can go on... In the end, I just get sick and tired of being pulled in 1000 different directions, with as many 'cloud providers', doing that many different bad implementations of the same thing (but as their serf in their castle). Open Source is a way out of local computing problems. Open Standards allows me to bring my business elsewhere when I'm alienated. Open Protocols allows me to communicate with other networks and computers. All are essential.

brbsix 11y ago

This is largely a philosophical and moral issue as opposed to a practical one. It would be something akin to a conscientious objector drafted for military service or an Amish person required to apply for a horse and buggy operator's license via a government website.

mbrock 11y ago

"You're going to increase the cost of web software products exponentially if devs can't use propriety javascript." Why?

0x6c6f6c 11y ago
Something something minified. Minifying the Javascript files admittedly reduces the bandwidth of a server, however providing source code for compiled/minified code can still be handled separately, and remove the argument of bandwidth since a small fraction of users care to look at the source itself.
- jbob2000 11y ago
  The issue isn't minification, the issue is that the code is proprietary, i.e not written by the developer serving you the webpage. Minification is easy to get around - copy & paste into IDE and autoformat. Anyone who cares enough about the source code knows that they can do this.
jbob2000 11y ago
Because then they need to write their own version. For some libraries, this would be a huge amount of work. Could you imagine having to write a replacement for jQuery, or any other handy libraries like moment.js or bootstrap?
- rakoo 11y ago
  None of those libraries are proprietary, so they don't pose any threat. The issue here is no different than with non-browser javascript, or even non-browser anything.