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>It baffles me that some people believe most non-American employees are just "cheap labor". It is not a "belief" because they are cheaper. Everytime this topic

>It baffles me that some people believe most non-American employees are just "cheap labor". It is not a "belief" because they are cheaper. Everytime this topic comes up, a bunch of Ph.D's are shocked, SHOCKED! to learn that there are companies abusing the system and to learn that Infosys, Wipro and Tata are the leading H1-B Sponsors with an average salary of ~$73,000 http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2015-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx

khare_ashwini 10y ago
Even $73,000 is high end if you include all outsourcing firms. Here's some writeup I did which compared silicon valley tech firms v/s outsourcing firms: http://ashwinikhare.in/tech-firms-guest-visa/ http://ashwinikhare.in/tech-firms-guest-visa/
RealGeek 10y ago
Most of the abusers of H-1B are such body shops and consultants. A simple solution is to disallow consultants from sponsoring H-1B. Only the direct employer should be able to sponsor H-1B. One of my friend was recruited by Tata in India, and then sent to work for Citibank in US. His visa was sponsored by Tata, he gets his paycheck from Tata ($72,000), but he works for Citibank in their office. Citibank pays Tata more than the market salary, and Tata's business model is arbitrage. Citibank could directly hire him at market salary and cut off the middle men. They are not just abusing H-1B, but L1 visa too.
surds 10y ago
I have worked at one of the above mentioned companies and I have seen that A LOT of people would be interested in getting to work here at ~73000, which might be lesser than average but works fine for them. Also, they probably have several other considerations in this matter: - Get the work experience of working in a different country at a client location that means more responsibility, more learning, etc. - Get the option to travel and explore another country, and the job salary covers for the expenses. Now, usually, the role and responsibilities are that of a technical or functional consultant. But they are not an individual employed directly by the US company. Their employer, one of the above mentioned companies or one of the several ones out there, is contracted. Note that I haven't worked here in US at any company while being an employee of a consultancy. I believe that the US based company where the individual works might be charged at a higher hourly rate but only a certain percentage of it makes to the employee and thus they may have lesser salaries. I would love to have this belief clarified, if anyone has any input. All that being said, I agree that the abuse of H1-B sucks. Though it is all too common outside the bay area. Haven't come across any instances here yet.
- british_india 10y ago
  Hah! Abuse of the H-1B program is endemic across the United States--not just in the Bay Area. No large city is excluded.
serge2k 10y ago
I think the just part is important.

khare_ashwini 10y ago

Even $73,000 is high end if you include all outsourcing firms. Here's some writeup I did which compared silicon valley tech firms v/s outsourcing firms: http://ashwinikhare.in/tech-firms-guest-visa/ http://ashwinikhare.in/tech-firms-guest-visa/

RealGeek 10y ago

Most of the abusers of H-1B are such body shops and consultants. A simple solution is to disallow consultants from sponsoring H-1B. Only the direct employer should be able to sponsor H-1B. One of my friend was recruited by Tata in India, and then sent to work for Citibank in US. His visa was sponsored by Tata, he gets his paycheck from Tata ($72,000), but he works for Citibank in their office. Citibank pays Tata more than the market salary, and Tata's business model is arbitrage. Citibank could directly hire him at market salary and cut off the middle men. They are not just abusing H-1B, but L1 visa too.

surds 10y ago

I have worked at one of the above mentioned companies and I have seen that A LOT of people would be interested in getting to work here at ~73000, which might be lesser than average but works fine for them. Also, they probably have several other considerations in this matter: - Get the work experience of working in a different country at a client location that means more responsibility, more learning, etc. - Get the option to travel and explore another country, and the job salary covers for the expenses. Now, usually, the role and responsibilities are that of a technical or functional consultant. But they are not an individual employed directly by the US company. Their employer, one of the above mentioned companies or one of the several ones out there, is contracted. Note that I haven't worked here in US at any company while being an employee of a consultancy. I believe that the US based company where the individual works might be charged at a higher hourly rate but only a certain percentage of it makes to the employee and thus they may have lesser salaries. I would love to have this belief clarified, if anyone has any input. All that being said, I agree that the abuse of H1-B sucks. Though it is all too common outside the bay area. Haven't come across any instances here yet.

british_india 10y ago
Hah! Abuse of the H-1B program is endemic across the United States--not just in the Bay Area. No large city is excluded.

serge2k 10y ago

I think the just part is important.