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> That means these journals offer something of value to them. Prestige, obviously. The other services are marginally valuable. Honestly, I wish a big foundati

> That means these journals offer something of value to them. Prestige, obviously. The other services are marginally valuable. Honestly, I wish a big foundation would agree to simply underwrite any such costs (to remove these as an objection). The whole value of publishers is in their accumulated brand value. A brand value which they did not build themselves but instead gathered from decades of harvesting public resources.

refurb 11y ago
Public resources? How do you figure? Not all research public is a public resource. Pharmaceutical companies publish, as do private foundations. Anyways, if the research was funded through public money, it gets published for free anyways.
- morgante 11y ago
  > Anyways, if the research was funded through public money, it gets published for free anyways. It does? I'm genuinely curious. The vast majority of research is funded with public money (to some extent). Where is all this publicly-funded research published?
  - refurb 11y ago
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed Now, there is a delay (1 year?) between when it's published in a journal and when it's freely released, which I can understand bothers people, but it does eventually make it's way out to the public domain.
    - morgante 11y ago
      This seems to be only NIH-funded medical research. While it's nice to see, that's far from the only federally funded research.
      - refurb 11y ago
        It was expanded back in 2013 to all federal organizations that spend more than $100M in research. That was just an example link.
        tmptmp 11y ago
        >>It was expanded back in 2013 to all federal organizations that spend more than $100M in research. Why some arbitrary figure like $100M? why not $1M or $1K or for that matter even $1? It should be other way round, if any research gets any funding (even $1 or 1 cent) then also the papers coming out of that research should be immediately released to public else they should not accept that grant/funding. The journals should not get a free ride for 1 year or so.
        rsfern 11y ago
        It was not expanded. i think you're referring to the FASTR bill that has not yet (but hopefully will soon be) passed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Access_to_Science_and_Technology_Research_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Access_to_Science_and_T...

refurb 11y ago

Public resources? How do you figure? Not all research public is a public resource. Pharmaceutical companies publish, as do private foundations. Anyways, if the research was funded through public money, it gets published for free anyways.

morgante 11y ago
> Anyways, if the research was funded through public money, it gets published for free anyways. It does? I'm genuinely curious. The vast majority of research is funded with public money (to some extent). Where is all this publicly-funded research published?
- refurb 11y ago
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed Now, there is a delay (1 year?) between when it's published in a journal and when it's freely released, which I can understand bothers people, but it does eventually make it's way out to the public domain.
  - morgante 11y ago
    This seems to be only NIH-funded medical research. While it's nice to see, that's far from the only federally funded research.
    - refurb 11y ago
      It was expanded back in 2013 to all federal organizations that spend more than $100M in research. That was just an example link.
      - tmptmp 11y ago
        >>It was expanded back in 2013 to all federal organizations that spend more than $100M in research. Why some arbitrary figure like $100M? why not $1M or $1K or for that matter even $1? It should be other way round, if any research gets any funding (even $1 or 1 cent) then also the papers coming out of that research should be immediately released to public else they should not accept that grant/funding. The journals should not get a free ride for 1 year or so.
      - rsfern 11y ago
        It was not expanded. i think you're referring to the FASTR bill that has not yet (but hopefully will soon be) passed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Access_to_Science_and_Technology_Research_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Access_to_Science_and_T...