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Fair enough. But like someone said re: raising money from VC (was it PG?) don't listen to the reason, listen to the answer. Kevin is uncomfortable with Maciej

Fair enough. But like someone said re: raising money from VC (was it PG?) don't listen to the reason, listen to the answer. Kevin is uncomfortable with Maciej and took his decision based on that. As it would not seem politically connect to give that as his reason, he began looking for "good reasons" to justify it. Is this conflict that can keep dividing us worth the 20k to YC? I would guess no. They could and should sort this out. Kevin should understand that these HN YCF coys "belong to the community". If Maciej goes in and try to mess it up the community will (as my people say) "treat his fuck up".

cperciva 10y ago
Kevin is uncomfortable with Maciej and took his decision based on that. As it would not seem politically connect to give that as his reason, he began looking for "good reasons" to justify it. My interpretation of events is rather different: Maciej cheated and got caught, but Dan and/or Kevin were concerned about the reaction if the submission which received the most votes was excluded based on the vote-rigging alone; so they went out of their way to try to find a way to include him anyway.
- yarou 10y ago
  Dude, it has nothing to do with him cheating. It has more to do with the fact that he called pg a "weenis" years ago, and openly criticizes YC and SV culture in general. The rejection was basically "sry, but you aren't quite the culture fit we're looking for". Which is fine, YCF can fund whomever they want, it's their money and their prerogative. But here's the rub. The way I see it, the biggest irony of the whole experiment is that it was probably meant to draw non-traditional founders, because of the pseudonymous nature of HN. But in the end, biases still prevailed. Which is why hiring/funding in SV is beyond broken, as this experiment has proven empirically. This thread is the embodiment of all the diversity problems that tech has, the root node if you will. When the decision comes down to arbitrary "gut feeling" vs. the best (candidate|founder), then you know there's a problem. If you can't see that, then...I'm not exactly sure what to tell you. Spend more time in the Valley?
- tptacek 10y ago
  Even on tilt the way you are right now, you know this isn't true, and that this was a very slimy comment to have written. I'm surprised.
  - cperciva 10y ago
    on tilt the way you are right now I got increasingly irritated with his faux innocence as the evening progressed. I should probably have stopped around midnight. you know this isn't true My turn to be surprised. Which part isn't true? It seemed true to me when I wrote it at 2 AM, and it seems true to me when I'm reading it again now at 8 AM (curse these early morning meetings!).
    - tptacek 10y ago
      Is there a way for us to have this conversation without each of your comments adding to the list of specious accusations you're making? There's nothing "faux" about his innocence.
      - cperciva 10y ago
        Ok, you win. As the evening progressed, I got increasingly annoyed with the way that he gave every outward appearance of acting like a dishonest troll, despite the fact that he is actually as pure as the driven snow and never had anything but the best interests of YC at heart. Happy?
    - SherlockeHolmes 10y ago
      I got increasingly irritated with his faux innocence as the evening progressed. Please look up confirmation bias. And (please) do not lecture me about my lack of awareness of the situation due to my newbie status.

cperciva 10y ago

Kevin is uncomfortable with Maciej and took his decision based on that. As it would not seem politically connect to give that as his reason, he began looking for "good reasons" to justify it. My interpretation of events is rather different: Maciej cheated and got caught, but Dan and/or Kevin were concerned about the reaction if the submission which received the most votes was excluded based on the vote-rigging alone; so they went out of their way to try to find a way to include him anyway.

yarou 10y ago
Dude, it has nothing to do with him cheating. It has more to do with the fact that he called pg a "weenis" years ago, and openly criticizes YC and SV culture in general. The rejection was basically "sry, but you aren't quite the culture fit we're looking for". Which is fine, YCF can fund whomever they want, it's their money and their prerogative. But here's the rub. The way I see it, the biggest irony of the whole experiment is that it was probably meant to draw non-traditional founders, because of the pseudonymous nature of HN. But in the end, biases still prevailed. Which is why hiring/funding in SV is beyond broken, as this experiment has proven empirically. This thread is the embodiment of all the diversity problems that tech has, the root node if you will. When the decision comes down to arbitrary "gut feeling" vs. the best (candidate|founder), then you know there's a problem. If you can't see that, then...I'm not exactly sure what to tell you. Spend more time in the Valley?
tptacek 10y ago
Even on tilt the way you are right now, you know this isn't true, and that this was a very slimy comment to have written. I'm surprised.
- cperciva 10y ago
  on tilt the way you are right now I got increasingly irritated with his faux innocence as the evening progressed. I should probably have stopped around midnight. you know this isn't true My turn to be surprised. Which part isn't true? It seemed true to me when I wrote it at 2 AM, and it seems true to me when I'm reading it again now at 8 AM (curse these early morning meetings!).
  - tptacek 10y ago
    Is there a way for us to have this conversation without each of your comments adding to the list of specious accusations you're making? There's nothing "faux" about his innocence.
    - cperciva 10y ago
      Ok, you win. As the evening progressed, I got increasingly annoyed with the way that he gave every outward appearance of acting like a dishonest troll, despite the fact that he is actually as pure as the driven snow and never had anything but the best interests of YC at heart. Happy?
  - SherlockeHolmes 10y ago
    I got increasingly irritated with his faux innocence as the evening progressed. Please look up confirmation bias. And (please) do not lecture me about my lack of awareness of the situation due to my newbie status.