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Johnson won because of the Daisy ad. No kidding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_%28advertisement%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_%28advertisement%2

Johnson won because of the Daisy ad. No kidding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_%28advertisement%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_%28advertisement%29 Carter started getting favorable press when he started quoting Bob Dylan at the University of Georgia School of Law on May 4, 1974. The best person who was an outsider was going to win the Democratic nomination, and obviously, the general election ( because post-Nixon). http://www.openculture.com/2012/07/hunter_s_thompson_remembers_jimmy_carters_captivating_bob_dylan_speech_1974.html http://www.openculture.com/2012/07/hunter_s_thompson_remembe...

encoderer 11y ago
The Daisy ad was important as ads go (all the more so as legend for only having aired once) but I maintain, nothing was larger in the American psyche than martyred president whose banner Johnson carried.
ZeroGravitas 11y ago
The Daisy ad was based on an apparent willingness to use nukes in Vietnam. The other effective ad they mention was based on a quote that said the US would be better if it sawed off the entire Eastern seabord. I'm not a historian of US politics, but it strikes me that Goldwater may have just had a lot of terrible opinions and policies.
- ArkyBeagle 11y ago
  The Daisy ad was a Rorshach blot. Peopel read into it what they wanted to. The policies were certainly much more mainstream than they are now
cafard 11y ago
Yes, kidding. Goldwater was well outside the Republican mainstream in what was still then its base. White blue collar workers still leaned reliably Democratic. Johnson had the good will of a country still mourning Kennedy.
- ArkyBeagle 11y ago
  Goldwater signaled the end of that Republican establishment. It was fully dead 11 years later, with Nixon's resignation. 16 years later, Ronald Reagan established the next version. Seems like a long time, but it's a big shift. Goldwater still carried 38% of the popular vote. And Johnson was unable to prosecute the advantage of that momentum inherited from Kennedy. It was a very turbulent time.
  - encoderer 11y ago
    > And Johnson was unable to prosecute the advantage of that momentum inherited from Kennedy. Objectively, he passed the Civil Rights Act and, after the election vs Goldwater, passed the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, reformed Social Security, etc. Not sure how much more prosecution you could ask for. And, perhaps you meant "inherited from Kennedy's murder", because in truth there was no legislative momentum under Kennedy. Kennedy may have introduced the Civil Rights legislation but Johnson passed it.
    - ArkyBeagle 11y ago
      I think he'd have done more good in the Senate on those bills. I mean that it all ended in the "I will not run... " abdication on national TV. Since we were more or less talking about elections, I was over-focused on that. Johnson's complicated - Robert Caro has made him his life's work. I wont do it justice here.

encoderer 11y ago

The Daisy ad was important as ads go (all the more so as legend for only having aired once) but I maintain, nothing was larger in the American psyche than martyred president whose banner Johnson carried.

ZeroGravitas 11y ago

The Daisy ad was based on an apparent willingness to use nukes in Vietnam. The other effective ad they mention was based on a quote that said the US would be better if it sawed off the entire Eastern seabord. I'm not a historian of US politics, but it strikes me that Goldwater may have just had a lot of terrible opinions and policies.

ArkyBeagle 11y ago
The Daisy ad was a Rorshach blot. Peopel read into it what they wanted to. The policies were certainly much more mainstream than they are now

cafard 11y ago

Yes, kidding. Goldwater was well outside the Republican mainstream in what was still then its base. White blue collar workers still leaned reliably Democratic. Johnson had the good will of a country still mourning Kennedy.

ArkyBeagle 11y ago
Goldwater signaled the end of that Republican establishment. It was fully dead 11 years later, with Nixon's resignation. 16 years later, Ronald Reagan established the next version. Seems like a long time, but it's a big shift. Goldwater still carried 38% of the popular vote. And Johnson was unable to prosecute the advantage of that momentum inherited from Kennedy. It was a very turbulent time.
- encoderer 11y ago
  > And Johnson was unable to prosecute the advantage of that momentum inherited from Kennedy. Objectively, he passed the Civil Rights Act and, after the election vs Goldwater, passed the Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, reformed Social Security, etc. Not sure how much more prosecution you could ask for. And, perhaps you meant "inherited from Kennedy's murder", because in truth there was no legislative momentum under Kennedy. Kennedy may have introduced the Civil Rights legislation but Johnson passed it.
  - ArkyBeagle 11y ago
    I think he'd have done more good in the Senate on those bills. I mean that it all ended in the "I will not run... " abdication on national TV. Since we were more or less talking about elections, I was over-focused on that. Johnson's complicated - Robert Caro has made him his life's work. I wont do it justice here.