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Not Python 3 compatible eh? Thought it was disheartening at first, but then it seems the project started in 2011.

zzleeper 10y ago
True, but at the same time it's odd for open source projects to not have py3k compatibility. Hell, the stuff I have on github has no python 2 compatibility because honestly after spending some time in Python 3 it really feels like a step back (compared to bytes vs strings, etc.). Unless you are getting paid or depend on libraries that are only on py2, why would you use python 2 instead of 3?
- coredog64 10y ago
  Because RHEL6 and a-hole sysadmins who are too lazy to install SCL are all too common.
  - bpchaps 10y ago
    I'm a sysadmin who uses python27, centos and rhel on a daily basis and I've never personally installed it - simply for not knowing anything about it, nor has anybody asked me to install it. The name rings a slight bell, but it doesn't sound like anything a python package would sound like, so I can kinda see how I could have just overlooked it many, many times. Besides, installing numpy/scipy/etc is just a few commands away to having a similar build in comparison, anyway, so I've never even needed to think about alternatives. I understand your frustration, but calling us assholes and lazy is just a little harsh. At this point, I'd have hoped it was understood by everyone that this wasn't the sysadmin's fault. How insistent or pushy or hoity toity are you were when asking? I've been woken enough times while on call after a 2.7 upgrade to pretty much give up on it, so even the request gives me a blinding headache these days. So yeah, I'll probably be a little grumpy at that request and I will take my time with it on top of the other things going on. If I was called lazy or an asshole for bringing these issues up, be ready to wait. Hell, to flip it back on y'all, would it hurt to have proper shebangs? For every developer who asks for a 2.7 upgrade, I get three more asking to downgrade until they fix their badly self-deployed code, despite plenty of preparation. It sucks pretty hardcore. That said, I have a flood of baseline rhel/centos machines to install soon, so I'll try to include it in my builds. (most of these issues I've had are in larger environments where best practices are best-effort, through legacy swamps.)
    - th0br0 10y ago
      I believe SCL refers to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Linux It's an unusual abbreviation though.
      - bpchaps 10y ago
        Don't think so (first link that seemed to make some sense) - http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/cern/scl/slc6-scl.repo http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/cern/scl/slc6-scl.repo Funny - I actually just spent the past week visiting one of the original scientific linux guys. I don't remember him calling it that, though. :)
      - Spiritus 10y ago
        More likely https://www.softwarecollections.org/ https://www.softwarecollections.org/

True, but at the same time it's odd for open source projects to not have py3k compatibility. Hell, the stuff I have on github has no python 2 compatibility because honestly after spending some time in Python 3 it really feels like a step back (compared to bytes vs strings, etc.). Unless you are getting paid or depend on libraries that are only on py2, why would you use python 2 instead of 3?

coredog64 10y ago
Because RHEL6 and a-hole sysadmins who are too lazy to install SCL are all too common.
- bpchaps 10y ago
  I'm a sysadmin who uses python27, centos and rhel on a daily basis and I've never personally installed it - simply for not knowing anything about it, nor has anybody asked me to install it. The name rings a slight bell, but it doesn't sound like anything a python package would sound like, so I can kinda see how I could have just overlooked it many, many times. Besides, installing numpy/scipy/etc is just a few commands away to having a similar build in comparison, anyway, so I've never even needed to think about alternatives. I understand your frustration, but calling us assholes and lazy is just a little harsh. At this point, I'd have hoped it was understood by everyone that this wasn't the sysadmin's fault. How insistent or pushy or hoity toity are you were when asking? I've been woken enough times while on call after a 2.7 upgrade to pretty much give up on it, so even the request gives me a blinding headache these days. So yeah, I'll probably be a little grumpy at that request and I will take my time with it on top of the other things going on. If I was called lazy or an asshole for bringing these issues up, be ready to wait. Hell, to flip it back on y'all, would it hurt to have proper shebangs? For every developer who asks for a 2.7 upgrade, I get three more asking to downgrade until they fix their badly self-deployed code, despite plenty of preparation. It sucks pretty hardcore. That said, I have a flood of baseline rhel/centos machines to install soon, so I'll try to include it in my builds. (most of these issues I've had are in larger environments where best practices are best-effort, through legacy swamps.)
  - th0br0 10y ago
    I believe SCL refers to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Linux It's an unusual abbreviation though.
    - bpchaps 10y ago
      Don't think so (first link that seemed to make some sense) - http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/cern/scl/slc6-scl.repo http://ftp.riken.jp/Linux/cern/scl/slc6-scl.repo Funny - I actually just spent the past week visiting one of the original scientific linux guys. I don't remember him calling it that, though. :)
    - Spiritus 10y ago
      More likely https://www.softwarecollections.org/ https://www.softwarecollections.org/