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Is it? Employee retention certainly has strong correlation with productivity.

by duaneb 11y ago

fintuple 11y ago
It's certainly not linear, though; I think it will be interesting to see what's better in the long run. It's obviously impossible to measure, due to unpredictable factors such as changes in industry and market and competition. As a whole, though, I think people, especially in our industry, aren't stupid. Free food would certainly be a more competitive retention factor (than ping pong) -- barring that your company's biggest competitors in terms of hiring aren't also offering free food.
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zeemonkee3 11y ago
Personally, a decent salary & benefits, interesting projects, learning opportunities and sane management would keep me in your company for life. But, given these things are so difficult to deliver on, let's just throw them kids' games, energy bars and craft beer on tap.
- lmm 11y ago
  It's not like having B makes A harder.
  - zeemonkee3 11y ago
    No, but it's when they are used as substitutes. "Hey, we have a dysfunctional CEO, a runway shorter than the one at Hong Kong airport, and a legacy codebase that reduces the most experienced developer to a gibbering wreck. But look - we have foosball and whiskey tasting nights!"
    - duaneb 11y ago
      Ok, so I agree with you that ping pong isn't a replacement for a salary, benefits, or interesting problems. I'm also sure this is a straw man.
      - zeemonkee3 11y ago
        Sure, it's a semi-facetious example. But I'm suspicious of job ads that mention things like foosball tables or climbing walls and other such frivolities - it suggests either a juvenile working environment or that the company has to provide gimmicks to entice people to work there because it doesn't have anything solid to offer.
        lmm 11y ago
        The ROI on those "gimmicks" is huge - to my mind it's the company that wouldn't spend a small amount of money on something fun that's suspicious. That suggests a company that's more bothered about appearances/"professionalism" than just getting on with things. Juvenile, shrug - I guess I like a juvenile working environment.

Is it? Employee retention certainly has strong correlation with productivity.

by duaneb 11y ago

Is it? Employee retention certainly has strong correlation with productivity.

It's certainly not linear, though; I think it will be interesting to see what's better in the long run. It's obviously impossible to measure, due to unpredictable factors such as changes in industry and market and competition. As a whole, though, I think people, especially in our industry, aren't stupid. Free food would certainly be a more competitive retention factor (than ping pong) -- barring that your company's biggest competitors in terms of hiring aren't also offering free food.

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zeemonkee3 11y ago

Personally, a decent salary & benefits, interesting projects, learning opportunities and sane management would keep me in your company for life. But, given these things are so difficult to deliver on, let's just throw them kids' games, energy bars and craft beer on tap.

lmm 11y ago
It's not like having B makes A harder.
- zeemonkee3 11y ago
  No, but it's when they are used as substitutes. "Hey, we have a dysfunctional CEO, a runway shorter than the one at Hong Kong airport, and a legacy codebase that reduces the most experienced developer to a gibbering wreck. But look - we have foosball and whiskey tasting nights!"
  - duaneb 11y ago
    Ok, so I agree with you that ping pong isn't a replacement for a salary, benefits, or interesting problems. I'm also sure this is a straw man.
    - zeemonkee3 11y ago
      Sure, it's a semi-facetious example. But I'm suspicious of job ads that mention things like foosball tables or climbing walls and other such frivolities - it suggests either a juvenile working environment or that the company has to provide gimmicks to entice people to work there because it doesn't have anything solid to offer.
      - lmm 11y ago
        The ROI on those "gimmicks" is huge - to my mind it's the company that wouldn't spend a small amount of money on something fun that's suspicious. That suggests a company that's more bothered about appearances/"professionalism" than just getting on with things. Juvenile, shrug - I guess I like a juvenile working environment.