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Cheers for the explanation, but this isn't so much "DI", as "reflection for the sake of DI", right? I mean, libraries can have DI without being quite this magic

by fenomas 11y ago

Cheers for the explanation, but this isn't so much "DI", as "reflection for the sake of DI", right? I mean, libraries can have DI without being quite this magical. I say this naively as a non-user, but in my case this specifically is what made me decide not to use Angular. I was trying it out for a new project and running through tutorials, but when I realized it was being that clever behind the scenes I decided that learning all its quirks would take longer than the rest of the project, and switched to something way simpler.

voltagex_ 11y ago
When I've implemented (toy) DI in C#, I've also used reflection. How else are you finding the types to load? (Happy to see examples in other languages, too)
RKoutnik 11y ago
Sure, Angular has strict DI, which looks like this: myApp.service('foo', ['bar', 'baz', function (bar, baz) { Now it doesn't need to read the function params as it has the strict strings. This'll survive function param mangling (a typical minification step). Sorry to hear you felt you weren't up to learning Angular & DI patterns. It can be tough for some folks who are still learning programming & JavaScript in general, so there's no shame in passing. Maybe next time - challenge yourself!
- fenomas 11y ago
  > Sorry to hear you felt you weren't up to learning Angular & DI patterns. It can be tough for some folks who are still learning programming & JavaScript in general I'm sure you don't mean that to sound condescending, but that's really not what I said. It was a question of magicalness vs. payoff - I needed a front-end framework that would handle a bunch of databinding and stay out of my way, and halfway into my first tutorial I found none of the sample code worked (either because I changed a local variable name or because my project already had minification set up, I don't recall). Either way the docs and tutorial I was using didn't even mention the function was being introspected, I had to go source-diving to find that out. It all worked out to make Angular feel less like a framework and more like a career choice - I couldn't just give it idiomatic javascript and expect things to work. If this introspection thing is the one and only magical part of Angular and I just happened to trip over it, maybe I got the wrong impression.

by fenomas 11y ago

voltagex_ 11y ago

When I've implemented (toy) DI in C#, I've also used reflection. How else are you finding the types to load? (Happy to see examples in other languages, too)

RKoutnik 11y ago

Sure, Angular has strict DI, which looks like this: myApp.service('foo', ['bar', 'baz', function (bar, baz) { Now it doesn't need to read the function params as it has the strict strings. This'll survive function param mangling (a typical minification step). Sorry to hear you felt you weren't up to learning Angular & DI patterns. It can be tough for some folks who are still learning programming & JavaScript in general, so there's no shame in passing. Maybe next time - challenge yourself!

fenomas 11y ago
> Sorry to hear you felt you weren't up to learning Angular & DI patterns. It can be tough for some folks who are still learning programming & JavaScript in general I'm sure you don't mean that to sound condescending, but that's really not what I said. It was a question of magicalness vs. payoff - I needed a front-end framework that would handle a bunch of databinding and stay out of my way, and halfway into my first tutorial I found none of the sample code worked (either because I changed a local variable name or because my project already had minification set up, I don't recall). Either way the docs and tutorial I was using didn't even mention the function was being introspected, I had to go source-diving to find that out. It all worked out to make Angular feel less like a framework and more like a career choice - I couldn't just give it idiomatic javascript and expect things to work. If this introspection thing is the one and only magical part of Angular and I just happened to trip over it, maybe I got the wrong impression.