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It's pretty clear that he wants to establish a Muslim database or at the very least is very open to the idea, and I've read that analysis. "'Do you think we mi
by learc83 11y ago
It's pretty clear that he wants to establish a Muslim database or at the very least is very open to the idea, and I've read that analysis.
"'Do you think we might need to register Muslims in some type of database, or note their religion on their ID?'
'We’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely. We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.'"
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"'Should there be a database or system that tracks Muslims in this country?
'There should be a lot of systems," Trump responded. "Beyond databases. I mean, we should have a lot of systems.'"
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In this last quote he is unambiguously being asked about a full Muslim database, not a database of immigrants.
"'Let's hear it directly from you," said host Kimberly Guilfoyle. "Would President Donald Trump support a full Muslim database?'
'Basically the suggestion was made and (it’s) certainly something we should start thinking about'"
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Establishing a Muslim database is clearly a civil rights violation. Trump says "we should start thinking about it". He says we should start thinking about something which is clearly a civil rights violation, so I don't think it's a stretch at all to be afraid that he may actually harm civil rights.
>That's not a logical progression at all. The United States has no obligation to let anyone into the country.
The police also have no obligation to protect any particular person, but when they refuse to protect someone based on their religion, it becomes a civil rights violation.
I understand that this is a matter for the courts do decide and it isn't actually a clear cut civil rights violation, but a quick google search shows at least a few respected legal scholars who believe that a ban on non-citizens based on religion would violate the constitution http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/harvard-professor-laurence-tribe-explains-what-trump-gets-wrong http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/harvard-professor-laurence-tribe-...
"According to several scholars surveyed by MSNBC, while foreign citizens do enjoy fewer rights than Americans, it is still illegal for the government to use a religious test on foreigners. The Constitution's 'bar against declaring an official religion' would apply to discrimination against non-citizens, argues Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe."
"Cornell Law professor Michael Dorf said that while U.S. policy 'routinely applies different immigration rules for nationals of different countries,' Trump’s proposal to only exclude 'foreign nationals who are Muslim' would likely be 'unconstitutional.'"
- gallonofmilk 11y ago> The police also have no obligation to protect any particular person, but when they refuse to protect someone based on their religion, it becomes a civil rights violation. Again, he's really talking on the context of terrorism and refugees in Europe. He's not talking about throwing out all the Muslims or stamping a tattoo on their arms. Also, it would make GREAT sense to have a database of every Muslim(and everyone else) that enters our country... I'm pretty sure we already have that. I'm just saying I think people take his brash no-bullshit no-filter style and run with it too far...
- jeremysmyth 11y agoI'm just saying I think people take his brash no-bullshit no-filter style and run with it too far... His "no-filter style" frequently results in him saying things that are factually incorrect, based on mistaken beliefs, describing illegal policies, or in contradiction to things he's already stated. His words describe his vision, and by extension, his vision lacks integrity and stability. A company with a CEO like that would not last long, and the CEO of a country could cause a lot of damage.
- learc83 11y agoA reporter specifically asked him if we should have a full database of ALL Muslims. She asked him this several days after the whole thing started in order to clarify what his position was. He said we should start thinking about it. He either wasn't paying attention to what she was saying at all, or he thinks a database of all Muslims could be a good idea. That he even entertains the idea that requiring members of a specific religion to register with the government is absurd. > I'm just saying I think people take his brash no-bullshit no-filter style and run with it too far... So when he said that we should "Take out" the family members of terrorists as a deterrent, and then defended his statement the next day, we shouldn't worry about it? He was just bullshitting, not actually advocating committing a war crime? I don't know which situation is scarier. A president who actually plans on doing the things he says he will, or a president with no filter who just says the first thing that pops into his head.