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You are dead wrong on this. Here is a direct quote "And the other thing is with the terrorists, you have to take out their families. They, they care about thei

by learc83 11y ago

You are dead wrong on this. Here is a direct quote "And the other thing is with the terrorists, you have to take out their families. They, they care about their lives. Don’t kid yourself. But they say they don’t care about their lives. You have to take out their families." The next day he defended his remark, so it wasn't just a one time off the cuff remark. >TEMPORARILY ban all Muslims coming from certain regions of the world as refugees Another direct quote from a Trump PR release. "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," >We have millions of people in our country ILLEGALLY that leech off our social systems, don't contribute monetarily (taxes) and send their money back to their home countries. No one can prove conclusively whether illegal immigrants are a net drain or a net benefit. But I can tell you one thing. Forciblyremoving 3% of the population is going to have negative economic consequences. It is also going to be hugely expensive and nearly impossible to actually pull off. There is no the way the benefit will outweigh the costs here.

gallonofmilk 11y ago
I think a lot of people take what comes out of his mouth with too much of a critical lens... Do you think terrorists would stop to think about your family before blowing themselves up? Think they thought that in Belgium? France? He's saying that they don't play by any rules and thus we can't win unless we really crush them. > Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering Again, he's referring specifically to what's going on with the refugee's in Europe and it was said in the context of the terrorism over there. To be honest why does this get people so riled up? The fact is that almost ALL of the terrorism happening in the world right now and in recent times is with orthodox ("extremist") Muslims. That is just plain fact so until the Muslims in the world stop blowing shit up then maybe him or anyone else wouldn't think to do that. > No one can prove conclusively whether illegal immigrants are a net drain or a net benefit From http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-ille... (first google search result) This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level.
- learc83 11y ago
  >I think a lot of people take what comes out of his mouth with too much of a critical lens... Could that be because he is running for the position of leader of the most powerful planet with the most powerful military the world has ever known. You can't just say the first thing that pops into your head and think that people are going to give you the benefit of the doubt when you are running for president. >Do you think terrorists would stop to think about your family before blowing themselves up? Think they thought that in Belgium? France? He's saying that they don't play by any rules and thus we can't win unless we really crush them. No I don't, but I also think that terrorists would kill billions of innocent civilians if they could. Does that mean I think it's OK for us to kill billions of innocent civilians to stop them? The terrorists do it too is not a valid defense for anything. >He's saying that they don't play by any rules and thus we can't win unless we really crush them. He's saying "We have to take out their families". There is no other meaning there. He is advocating committing a war crime. >From http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-ille.. http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-ille.... (first google search result) Fair is an anti-immigration group. The SPLC even lists them as a hate group. Whether you believe they are actually a hate group, they're definitely not purveyors of unbiased research. But that's what I mean when I said you can't prove conclusively whether illegal immigrants are a net economic benefit or drain. The only people doing research on the issue are biased, and there are too many variables. You can find plenty of studies by pro-immigration groups that say they contribute more to the economy than they take. Just like you can find plenty of studies by anti-immigration groups that say the opposite.

by learc83 11y ago

gallonofmilk 11y ago

I think a lot of people take what comes out of his mouth with too much of a critical lens... Do you think terrorists would stop to think about your family before blowing themselves up? Think they thought that in Belgium? France? He's saying that they don't play by any rules and thus we can't win unless we really crush them. > Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering Again, he's referring specifically to what's going on with the refugee's in Europe and it was said in the context of the terrorism over there. To be honest why does this get people so riled up? The fact is that almost ALL of the terrorism happening in the world right now and in recent times is with orthodox ("extremist") Muslims. That is just plain fact so until the Muslims in the world stop blowing shit up then maybe him or anyone else wouldn't think to do that. > No one can prove conclusively whether illegal immigrants are a net drain or a net benefit From http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-ille... (first google search result) This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level.

learc83 11y ago
>I think a lot of people take what comes out of his mouth with too much of a critical lens... Could that be because he is running for the position of leader of the most powerful planet with the most powerful military the world has ever known. You can't just say the first thing that pops into your head and think that people are going to give you the benefit of the doubt when you are running for president. >Do you think terrorists would stop to think about your family before blowing themselves up? Think they thought that in Belgium? France? He's saying that they don't play by any rules and thus we can't win unless we really crush them. No I don't, but I also think that terrorists would kill billions of innocent civilians if they could. Does that mean I think it's OK for us to kill billions of innocent civilians to stop them? The terrorists do it too is not a valid defense for anything. >He's saying that they don't play by any rules and thus we can't win unless we really crush them. He's saying "We have to take out their families". There is no other meaning there. He is advocating committing a war crime. >From http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-ille.. http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-ille.... (first google search result) Fair is an anti-immigration group. The SPLC even lists them as a hate group. Whether you believe they are actually a hate group, they're definitely not purveyors of unbiased research. But that's what I mean when I said you can't prove conclusively whether illegal immigrants are a net economic benefit or drain. The only people doing research on the issue are biased, and there are too many variables. You can find plenty of studies by pro-immigration groups that say they contribute more to the economy than they take. Just like you can find plenty of studies by anti-immigration groups that say the opposite.