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Why would you say it's the beginning of a descent to a darker time pre-civil rights? What has Trump said that makes you think he will take away civil rights? Ha

Why would you say it's the beginning of a descent to a darker time pre-civil rights? What has Trump said that makes you think he will take away civil rights? Have you considered that a huge number of Americans have effectively spoken as he becomes the nominee?

jkmcf 10y ago
The Republican party is the minority party, only ~29% of the population identify as such. A smaller % is actually registered, and a small percent of that (< 30%) actually vote in primaries. I would confidently say that a "huge" number of Americans did not choose Trump.
- raincom 10y ago
  The same argument applies to any democrat primary candidate.
  - learc83 10y ago
    That's true, and if someone said that a huge number of Americans voiced support for Hillary Clinton based on her primary performance, I'd say they were wrong too.
learc83 10y ago
>Have you considered that a huge number of Americans have effectively spoken as he becomes the nominee? That doesn't have anything to do with whether the OP's conjecture is correct. It could be that a huge number of Americans would welcome that change (not that I think they do). Also I wouldn't say a huge number of voters have spken. Trump has only gotten about 10 million votes [1]. That's more than any other republican nominee, but hardly a sizeable percentage of the country. >Why would you say it's the beginning of a descent to a darker time pre-civil rights? Trump said that he wants to: commit war crimes by murdering and torturing the civilian families of terrorists; ban all Muslims from entering the country; deport 3% of the country; and build a wall between us and Mexico. I can see how people are worried about a descent to a darker time. [1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/repub...
- gallonofmilk 10y ago
  I feel like many people don't actually read or listen to what he is saying other than through soundbites... > commit war crimes by murdering and torturing the civilian families of terrorists. He has said that the terrorist groups don't play by any rules that civilized societies do and so we must crush them. War is ugly and nothing will change that. I think it's a stretch to say he wishes to "murder and torture" anyone. He is clearly saying we have to crush them. > ban all Muslims from entering the country This along with the next thing you say are the primary bits of conjecture that have been spun in the media to paint Trump as a bigot, racist, islamaphobe etc... If you again go back and listen to what he's talking about, you'll hear him say that he wants to TEMPORARILY ban all Muslims coming from certain regions of the world as refugees (syria, north africa, etc). He also uses Europe as an example of failed refugee policies where millions of people are flooding in and unfortunately that includes bad actors because there is no way to properly vet them. So no, he has never once said to "ban all muslims". He is saying we should not let refugee's in until we know how to vet them, handle them, ensure that they WILL assimilate, and not have what's going on in Europe happen. > deport 3% of the country; and build a wall between us and Mexico. We have millions of people in our country ILLEGALLY that leech off our social systems, don't contribute monetarily (taxes) and send their money back to their home countries. Many of them that come in illegally ARE affiliated with drugs, crime etc. Not all of them (as he said) but it doesn't matter. The question becomes at what point do we decide we are going to enforce our own laws or do we just abolish our laws completely? What is wrong with building a wall at our border? What do you say to the millions of people who come into our country legally and through the proper channels often taking time, and effort to come in? Almost every country in the world has some form of this including the United States. News flash: we already have walls in many places along the border. Ask anyone who grew up in a south western state where drug tunnels of increasing complexity are routinely discovered, or who has worked in a hospital where the illegals have their children whether or not it's a logical thing to build a wall and I think you'll get a consistent viewpoint. Again check the soundbite. He never once says "all Mexicans are rapists" as the idiot rioters in California (waving MEXICAN flags for heck sake) have tried to make you believe. edit: I don't agree with everything he says but especially the last two bits which are the primary reasons people have mislabeled him as racist, bigot etc, are simply not true. I do think people underestimate him greatly so we'll see what happens.
viraptor 10y ago
Just every other thing he says? Let's pick at random - registration of Muslims, no same sex marriages, requesting mass surveillance, etc.

jkmcf 10y ago

The Republican party is the minority party, only ~29% of the population identify as such. A smaller % is actually registered, and a small percent of that (< 30%) actually vote in primaries. I would confidently say that a "huge" number of Americans did not choose Trump.

raincom 10y ago
The same argument applies to any democrat primary candidate.
- learc83 10y ago
  That's true, and if someone said that a huge number of Americans voiced support for Hillary Clinton based on her primary performance, I'd say they were wrong too.

learc83 10y ago

>Have you considered that a huge number of Americans have effectively spoken as he becomes the nominee? That doesn't have anything to do with whether the OP's conjecture is correct. It could be that a huge number of Americans would welcome that change (not that I think they do). Also I wouldn't say a huge number of voters have spken. Trump has only gotten about 10 million votes [1]. That's more than any other republican nominee, but hardly a sizeable percentage of the country. >Why would you say it's the beginning of a descent to a darker time pre-civil rights? Trump said that he wants to: commit war crimes by murdering and torturing the civilian families of terrorists; ban all Muslims from entering the country; deport 3% of the country; and build a wall between us and Mexico. I can see how people are worried about a descent to a darker time. [1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/repub...

gallonofmilk 10y ago
I feel like many people don't actually read or listen to what he is saying other than through soundbites... > commit war crimes by murdering and torturing the civilian families of terrorists. He has said that the terrorist groups don't play by any rules that civilized societies do and so we must crush them. War is ugly and nothing will change that. I think it's a stretch to say he wishes to "murder and torture" anyone. He is clearly saying we have to crush them. > ban all Muslims from entering the country This along with the next thing you say are the primary bits of conjecture that have been spun in the media to paint Trump as a bigot, racist, islamaphobe etc... If you again go back and listen to what he's talking about, you'll hear him say that he wants to TEMPORARILY ban all Muslims coming from certain regions of the world as refugees (syria, north africa, etc). He also uses Europe as an example of failed refugee policies where millions of people are flooding in and unfortunately that includes bad actors because there is no way to properly vet them. So no, he has never once said to "ban all muslims". He is saying we should not let refugee's in until we know how to vet them, handle them, ensure that they WILL assimilate, and not have what's going on in Europe happen. > deport 3% of the country; and build a wall between us and Mexico. We have millions of people in our country ILLEGALLY that leech off our social systems, don't contribute monetarily (taxes) and send their money back to their home countries. Many of them that come in illegally ARE affiliated with drugs, crime etc. Not all of them (as he said) but it doesn't matter. The question becomes at what point do we decide we are going to enforce our own laws or do we just abolish our laws completely? What is wrong with building a wall at our border? What do you say to the millions of people who come into our country legally and through the proper channels often taking time, and effort to come in? Almost every country in the world has some form of this including the United States. News flash: we already have walls in many places along the border. Ask anyone who grew up in a south western state where drug tunnels of increasing complexity are routinely discovered, or who has worked in a hospital where the illegals have their children whether or not it's a logical thing to build a wall and I think you'll get a consistent viewpoint. Again check the soundbite. He never once says "all Mexicans are rapists" as the idiot rioters in California (waving MEXICAN flags for heck sake) have tried to make you believe. edit: I don't agree with everything he says but especially the last two bits which are the primary reasons people have mislabeled him as racist, bigot etc, are simply not true. I do think people underestimate him greatly so we'll see what happens.

viraptor 10y ago

Just every other thing he says? Let's pick at random - registration of Muslims, no same sex marriages, requesting mass surveillance, etc.