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Ted Cruz Ends His Campaign for President
- h8trswana8 10y agoDid y'all hear Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer?
- VonGuard 10y agoHe has yet to deny it. Also, Carly Fiorina is now the shortest lived VP candidate in history.
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- Aelinsaar 10y agoWhat an incredible moment in the history of a major political party in the US. Trump is the man for the GOP, and it's hard not to imagine that it doesn't mark the beginning of the end of the GOP in some form, in the long run.
- mkaziz 10y agoWhy would you say it's the beginning of the end? Maybe it's the beginning of a descent to a darker time pre-Civil Rights, where the Trumpian ideology is mainstream.
- gallonofmilk 10y agoWhy would you say it's the beginning of a descent to a darker time pre-civil rights? What has Trump said that makes you think he will take away civil rights? Have you considered that a huge number of Americans have effectively spoken as he becomes the nominee?
- jkmcf 10y agoThe Republican party is the minority party, only ~29% of the population identify as such. A smaller % is actually registered, and a small percent of that (< 30%) actually vote in primaries. I would confidently say that a "huge" number of Americans did not choose Trump.
- learc83 10y ago>Have you considered that a huge number of Americans have effectively spoken as he becomes the nominee? That doesn't have anything to do with whether the OP's conjecture is correct. It could be that a huge number of Americans would welcome that change (not that I think they do). Also I wouldn't say a huge number of voters have spken. Trump has only gotten about 10 million votes [1]. That's more than any other republican nominee, but hardly a sizeable percentage of the country. >Why would you say it's the beginning of a descent to a darker time pre-civil rights? Trump said that he wants to: commit war crimes by murdering and torturing the civilian families of terrorists; ban all Muslims from entering the country; deport 3% of the country; and build a wall between us and Mexico. I can see how people are worried about a descent to a darker time. [1] http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/repub...
- gallonofmilk 10y agoI feel like many people don't actually read or listen to what he is saying other than through soundbites... > commit war crimes by murdering and torturing the civilian families of terrorists. He has said that the terrorist groups don't play by any rules that civilized societies do and so we must crush them. War is ugly and nothing will change that. I think it's a stretch to say he wishes to "murder and torture" anyone. He is clearly saying we have to crush them. > ban all Muslims from entering the country This along with the next thing you say are the primary bits of conjecture that have been spun in the media to paint Trump as a bigot, racist, islamaphobe etc... If you again go back and listen to what he's talking about, you'll hear him say that he wants to TEMPORARILY ban all Muslims coming from certain regions of the world as refugees (syria, north africa, etc). He also uses Europe as an example of failed refugee policies where millions of people are flooding in and unfortunately that includes bad actors because there is no way to properly vet them. So no, he has never once said to "ban all muslims". He is saying we should not let refugee's in until we know how to vet them, handle them, ensure that they WILL assimilate, and not have what's going on in Europe happen. > deport 3% of the country; and build a wall between us and Mexico. We have millions of people in our country ILLEGALLY that leech off our social systems, don't contribute monetarily (taxes) and send their money back to their home countries. Many of them that come in illegally ARE affiliated with drugs, crime etc. Not all of them (as he said) but it doesn't matter. The question becomes at what point do we decide we are going to enforce our own laws or do we just abolish our laws completely? What is wrong with building a wall at our border? What do you say to the millions of people who come into our country legally and through the proper channels often taking time, and effort to come in? Almost every country in the world has some form of this including the United States. News flash: we already have walls in many places along the border. Ask anyone who grew up in a south western state where drug tunnels of increasing complexity are routinely discovered, or who has worked in a hospital where the illegals have their children whether or not it's a logical thing to build a wall and I think you'll get a consistent viewpoint. Again check the soundbite. He never once says "all Mexicans are rapists" as the idiot rioters in California (waving MEXICAN flags for heck sake) have tried to make you believe. edit: I don't agree with everything he says but especially the last two bits which are the primary reasons people have mislabeled him as racist, bigot etc, are simply not true. I do think people underestimate him greatly so we'll see what happens.
- Aelinsaar 10y agoThat would be an end then, with the inevitable demographic shifting of the US over time.
- trhway 10y agoGOP has been selling "Washington establishment/insiders" hate-story to its electorate for a bunch of years, and finally that electorate bought it. One reaps what the one sows. Or something about the cake. Anyway, can't wait to see Bill back in the WH :)
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- bhouston 10y agoHillary seems to be captured by special interest, almost completely so. She is loved by banks, defense companies and oil and gas companies: https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=2008 https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N000... https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillarys-financial-armada-233033648.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillarys-financial-armada-2330336... http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/hillary-clintons-connection-oil-gas-industry/ http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/hillary-clint... She supported the Iraq war, and opposed the recent deal with Iran. I am not sure what is a redeeming quality of Hillary as a democrat, she seems like an establishment GOP candidate in her positions, excluding social issues, more than anything.
- Grishnakh 10y ago>I am not sure what is a redeeming quality of Hillary as a democrat, she seems like an establishment GOP candidate in her positions, excluding social issues, more than anything. You just said it yourself: social issues. That's the only thing where mainstream Dems and Reps differ. They use these "wedge issues" to give the illusion of differences between the parties and keep us distracted from the real issues.
- steve19 10y agoIt won't end the GOP. At worst they will spend another 8 years outside the whitehouse, while a disgruntled population also throws them out of congress. The bug/feature of a two party system is that ~40% of the population (the non-swing voters) have no alternative to the GOP. Sigh, I lost some money on betting Trump would not being the nominee (so take my political acumen with a grain of salt)
- Grishnakh 10y ago>Sigh, I lost some money on betting Trump would not being the nominee (so take my political acumen with a grain of salt) Trump is NOT the nominee. Not yet. He still hasn't gotten enough votes to become nominee, and if he doesn't, then they go to a brokered convention, where most likely Kasich will win. That's why Kasich is still in the race even though he has very few delegates. You may still win that bet.
- r00fus 10y agoTHe GOP would be stupid to throw away Trump's popularity with their base. They will do what they did in 1980: Marry the populist (Reagan) with an insider (Bush) and dog-whistle to their establishment that Trump won't make any really meaningful decisions (that aren't supported by the insiders). It's a tried and true winner. The last brokered convention was 50+ years ago without today's retail politics.
- Grishnakh 10y agoThe problem with this idea is that they can't control Trump, and he's completely unpredictable. Reagan wasn't.
- aaronbrethorst 10y agoNot in the long run, today. At the very least, this is the end of the "three legged stool" Republican party that has existed since the 1980s. It's gone.
- jug5 10y agoHello President Trump!
- vorador 10y agoThe next few months are going to be interesting.
- supernintendo 10y agoHe won't be missed.
- lampN 10y agoThis is lining up to be a historic election. Both parties are set to nominate two very divisive and unlikable candidates. I wonder how, if at all, this will affect the two party system.
- zxcvcxz 10y agoThe non-crazies should annex a portion of Canada and start a new country.
- gallonofmilk 10y agoor promote a moderate third party since most people are moderate anyways...
- Grishnakh 10y agoWon't work, it's impossible. A first-past-the-post voting system like ours always guarantees a two-party system. Once in a while there may be an anomaly, but in the end it devolves back to two parties. It's impossible to have a stable 3-party system with FPTP voting.
- clessg 10y agoOr just join us. We are very accepting of refugees. :)
- SilasX 10y agoWait, really ending for good, so he can't be nominated? What about all the party/convention rules shenanigans they can do, where they can still nominate anyone who won delegates? Was that a misconception? Or just the Democratic Party?
- maxerickson 10y agoWith Indiana going to Trump, the shenanigans went from mathematically difficult to basically impossible.
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- tristanj 10y agoReince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National Committee, just tweeted that Trump will be the presumptive GOP nominee. With an endorsement like that there's an incredibly strong chance Trump has the nomination. https://twitter.com/Reince/status/727665447684820992 https://twitter.com/Reince/status/727665447684820992
- Lazare 10y agoThere weren't really any shenanigans available. The rules are: 1. On the first ballot, pledged delegates will be counted as having voted for their assigned nominee 2. Thereafter they can do whatever they want. You can call this "politics", or "the will of the delegates", or "shenanigans" if you want. After Indiana, Trump will inevitably have enough pledged delegates to win on the first ballot, so that's that. > What about all the party/convention rules shenanigans they can do, where they can still nominate anyone who won delegates? Was that a misconception? There was some vague talk about a rule change to unbind delegates on the first ballot, but that was never, ever, ever going to happen.
- SilasX 10y agoThank you, that addresses and contextualizes the things I must be thinking of.
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- Osiris 10y agoMy theory for the reason that people like Trump is this: genuine. People are sick of politicians and the game they play. Trump comes off as genuine. Sure, most of what he says is wrong, but people don't care. People don't like Hillary for the same reason, she comes off as the opposite of genuine. The common refrain about her is that she'll say whatever it is that she thinks you want to hear.
- spinlock 10y agoI like Hillary because of HillaryCare. It's what we used to call ObamaCare when Hillary was laying the groundwork for the ACA. I also don't care what she says; I'm looking at her accomplishments.
- gallonofmilk 10y agowhat are some of her other notable accomplishments? I'm asking because I hear the conservatives frequently saying she has none...
- spinlock 10y agoThere are 3 main areas as I see it: healthcare, foreign policy and rebuilding NYC after 9-11. On healthcare, she was influential in getting SCHIP going (after the Clinton administration took a huge hit for pushing for universal healthcare). That expanded coverage to millions of low income children. I used to live in Vermont and I've voted for Bernie ... but ... he's never secured healthcare for anyone. Then, there's the Pediatric Research Equity Act which she authored. It requires drug companies to study their products in children. Next is foreign policy. Clinton authored the sanctions against Iran and got China, Russia, and the EU to support them. That's after 8 years of Bush that alienated the US in the international community. US exports to China also increased by 50% when she was Secretary of State. And, she was also influential in the work that finally got Osama bin Laden. And, we can round this off by noting that, as NY Senator, she secured funding to rebuild NYC after 9-11.
- krapp 10y ago> Trump comes off as genuine. > The common refrain about (Hillary) is that she'll say whatever it is that she thinks you want to hear. Neither one is genuine - Trump is just the better actor. I find it maddening that so many people seem to fall for it.
- 11thEarlOfMar 10y ago48 up-votes in 54 minutes? Why isn't this on the front page?
- clevernickname 10y agoSame reason why every vaguely pro-Trump comment has been flagged or downvoted into oblivion.
- dang 10y agoIt isn't that it's pro-Trump, it's that it's pure politics. Such posts always get heavily flagged, and it's hard to disagree with that, since they're typically not posted to gratify intellectual curiosity.
- clevernickname 10y agoOn the contrary, purely political stories are constantly upvoted and allowed on HN. They're just almost always left leaning stories. A Basic Income Should Be the Next Big Thing 542 points by warrenmar 17 hours ago | flag | past | web | 718 comments I can almost guarantee that if/when Bernie drops out, a submission on it will be allowed to stay and hit hundreds of points.
- tptacek 10y agoNot if I can help it. Politics on HN are toxic, no matter what their valence.
- dang 10y agoBasic Income stories are political, but they aren't purely political. There's an intellectual interest in thinking about and debating such a major social change. Political horse race stories are the opposite. People tend to see HN as ideologically biased in favor of whatever they disagree with—that's a classic cognitive bias in its own right. Indeed there are some biases on specific issues (Snowden detractors don't do well here), but I'm not sure I agree they cut left or right overall. The community is pretty divided, much as the larger population is.
- smegel 10y agoTrump was the mainstream candidate, no surprise there. The idea that a far-right extreme conservative evangelical was going to beat Hillary was, as Trump would say, laughable. Trump may also not beat Hillary, but he does have mainstream appeal and can connect with a much wider audience. What will be interesting is how Trump now changes his outwards approach as he tries to win over the mainstream, swing voters, even some democrats who don't want an establishment figure, instead of registered republican voters that he has been targeting until now.
- waitwhatt 10y agoBye bye climate change denier.
- tzs 10y agoShamelessly stolen from someone on Reddit: Cruz: "We're going to have to layoff all of the staff." Carly: "IT'S MY TIME TO SHINE!"