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As long as Facebook and Google pay interns and recent college graduates ridiculous salaries, then startups have to match them. As long as they offer crazy worki

As long as Facebook and Google pay interns and recent college graduates ridiculous salaries, then startups have to match them. As long as they offer crazy working environments with massages and free food and fantasy offices, then startups have to do the same. At least in SV frugality isn't a word.

jonwachob91 10y ago
Maybe, just maybe... What a startup lacks in fringe benefits they can make up for in solving real/unique/enjoyable problems ;) Oh... And escaping corporate BS.
- philangist 10y ago
  But most startups aren't even solving those types of problems. They're building marketing analytics or hr management or food delivery software..
  - dhimes 10y ago
    I think he means solving these problems in the work environment.
    - jonwachob91 10y ago
      Not really... But if you want to interpret it that way it's still a valid point. I meant not working at the startup doing marketing analytics (although this could be fun if the problem is unique and challenging) hr management or food delivery. Maybe look for the next Pied Piper and work for them :D
zeemonkee3 10y ago
Sure, but not everyone can get into Facebook or Google. They take the best of the best (we can argue whether that's true or not, but that's the perception). Do startups really need Google-level developers, or just competent journeymen? It sounds more like startups are outbidding each other, not Facebook or Google.
- 20years 10y ago
  This ^ I think startups can be competitive simply by hiring remote. No offices. Trying to manage a slick office space and afford being located in SF is a big overhead. Hiring remote will open up your pool of candidates to people that Google & Facebook can't get.
dnh44 10y ago
And we should all be really pleased that we're working in a sellers market for our skills. Nothing lasts forever.
superuser2 10y ago
>ridiculous Why ridiculous? Why are you rooting for people in our industry to make less money?

jonwachob91 10y ago

Maybe, just maybe... What a startup lacks in fringe benefits they can make up for in solving real/unique/enjoyable problems ;) Oh... And escaping corporate BS.

philangist 10y ago
But most startups aren't even solving those types of problems. They're building marketing analytics or hr management or food delivery software..
- dhimes 10y ago
  I think he means solving these problems in the work environment.
  - jonwachob91 10y ago
    Not really... But if you want to interpret it that way it's still a valid point. I meant not working at the startup doing marketing analytics (although this could be fun if the problem is unique and challenging) hr management or food delivery. Maybe look for the next Pied Piper and work for them :D

zeemonkee3 10y ago

Sure, but not everyone can get into Facebook or Google. They take the best of the best (we can argue whether that's true or not, but that's the perception). Do startups really need Google-level developers, or just competent journeymen? It sounds more like startups are outbidding each other, not Facebook or Google.

20years 10y ago
This ^ I think startups can be competitive simply by hiring remote. No offices. Trying to manage a slick office space and afford being located in SF is a big overhead. Hiring remote will open up your pool of candidates to people that Google & Facebook can't get.

dnh44 10y ago

And we should all be really pleased that we're working in a sellers market for our skills. Nothing lasts forever.

superuser2 10y ago

>ridiculous Why ridiculous? Why are you rooting for people in our industry to make less money?