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In Germany you get recompensation for that. Also one might argue if they don't like the laws they shouldn't access the market.

serge2k 10y ago
Nah, you just gotta DISRUPT the current laws.
habosa 10y ago
Not that I am a big fan of this particular law/result, but I want to highlight the second half of your sentence: "if they don't like the laws they shouldn't access the market" That is something the HN crowd does not seem to understand/respect. Most of us enjoy the personal protection of the law yet we want to whip up a webapp and have no laws apply to us.
- lerpa 10y ago
  Bad laws are bad laws, it's idiotic to support them.
  - habosa 10y ago
    If you think harder you will realize that is false. The rule of law itself has value, and we can only live in a lawful society if we respect all laws and change them via established processes. Otherwise someone may decide that your favorite law is "idiotic" and you will have no recourse.
    - leonatan 10y ago
      Civil disobedience is a very "established process".
      - rbanffy 10y ago
        Civil disobedience does not imply impunity. You disobey the law and you face the consequences. That's how civil disobedience works. If too many people disobey the law, it eventually gets noticed.
  - kybernetyk 10y ago
    Not only idiotic but also immoral. If you obey an immoral law you are acting in a way which strengthens that law and keeps other people under its influence. By your actions you are essentially condemning people to be affected by an immoral law - which in itself is immoral behavior.
- f3llowtraveler 10y ago
  As far as I understand, WhatsApp is not conducting any activities in Brazil. There are people in Brazil who have downloaded the application, and those people are connecting OUT to WhatsApp, which is operating in America. So all the Brazilian government can do, is BLOCK its own people from accessing WhatsApp through the Internet. The question is, should the Brazilian government have the right to block websites that it doesn't want its people to be able to see? Ultimately that's a problem for Brazilian domestic politics, and also a greater issue of human rights. After all, that's how we describe it when discussing the Great Firewall of China.
  - pluma 10y ago
    Brazil can apply whatever laws they want wherever they want. They just might not be able to enforce them and therefore non-residents might decide to ignore them. The same is true for everyone else.

serge2k 10y ago

Nah, you just gotta DISRUPT the current laws.

habosa 10y ago

Not that I am a big fan of this particular law/result, but I want to highlight the second half of your sentence: "if they don't like the laws they shouldn't access the market" That is something the HN crowd does not seem to understand/respect. Most of us enjoy the personal protection of the law yet we want to whip up a webapp and have no laws apply to us.

lerpa 10y ago
Bad laws are bad laws, it's idiotic to support them.
- habosa 10y ago
  If you think harder you will realize that is false. The rule of law itself has value, and we can only live in a lawful society if we respect all laws and change them via established processes. Otherwise someone may decide that your favorite law is "idiotic" and you will have no recourse.
  - leonatan 10y ago
    Civil disobedience is a very "established process".
    - rbanffy 10y ago
      Civil disobedience does not imply impunity. You disobey the law and you face the consequences. That's how civil disobedience works. If too many people disobey the law, it eventually gets noticed.
- kybernetyk 10y ago
  Not only idiotic but also immoral. If you obey an immoral law you are acting in a way which strengthens that law and keeps other people under its influence. By your actions you are essentially condemning people to be affected by an immoral law - which in itself is immoral behavior.
f3llowtraveler 10y ago
As far as I understand, WhatsApp is not conducting any activities in Brazil. There are people in Brazil who have downloaded the application, and those people are connecting OUT to WhatsApp, which is operating in America. So all the Brazilian government can do, is BLOCK its own people from accessing WhatsApp through the Internet. The question is, should the Brazilian government have the right to block websites that it doesn't want its people to be able to see? Ultimately that's a problem for Brazilian domestic politics, and also a greater issue of human rights. After all, that's how we describe it when discussing the Great Firewall of China.
- pluma 10y ago
  Brazil can apply whatever laws they want wherever they want. They just might not be able to enforce them and therefore non-residents might decide to ignore them. The same is true for everyone else.