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So, Facebook, a participant in PRISM, is now conducting civil disobedience. Totally believable.

by return0 11y ago

wslh 11y ago
I was not talking about Facebook but about Brazilians. Also, following your reasoning, if Facebook was a participant in PRISM, does it mean they don't have any right to fight? Privacy is at stake here, Facebook is only one problem instance.
- sangnoir 11y ago
  > Privacy is at stake here Are you arguing against the use of warrants in police investigations?
  - MajesticHobo 11y ago
    WhatsApp is the most popular end-to-end encrypted chat app in the world. Shutting it down for 100 million people not suspected or charged with any crime is an incredibly disproportionate, privacy-thwarting response to not being able to access user data in one criminal investigation.
    - sangnoir 11y ago
      > Shutting it down for 100 million people not suspected or charged with any crime is an incredibly disproportionate, privacy-thwarting response to not being able to access user data in one criminal investigation. What proportional recourse do you suggest when Whatsapp are effectively in contempt of court (in absentia)? In most jurisdictions, obstructing the course of justice usually has heavy penalties.
  - wslh 11y ago
    I am against the use of warrants when there is nothing to search...
    - sangnoir 11y ago
      > I am against the use of warrants when there is nothing to search... End to end encrypting doesn't magically cause metadata to disappear. IP addresses, the times messages were sent and received are still useful to law enforcement. In this instance, the court want the IP address of the accused so they can follow up with the ISP. I prefer warrants written out for specific individuals to dragnet surveillance.
Zarel 11y ago
Yahoo is also a participant in PRISM, and fought as hard as they could against it in secret court. https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ I think it's safe to assume that all companies involved in PRISM aren't happy with it and tried their hardest to fight it.
- shawn-butler 11y ago
  That isn't the same thing as civil disobedience

So, Facebook, a participant in PRISM, is now conducting civil disobedience. Totally believable.

by return0 11y ago

So, Facebook, a participant in PRISM, is now conducting civil disobedience. Totally believable.

wslh 11y ago

I was not talking about Facebook but about Brazilians. Also, following your reasoning, if Facebook was a participant in PRISM, does it mean they don't have any right to fight? Privacy is at stake here, Facebook is only one problem instance.

sangnoir 11y ago
> Privacy is at stake here Are you arguing against the use of warrants in police investigations?
- MajesticHobo 11y ago
  WhatsApp is the most popular end-to-end encrypted chat app in the world. Shutting it down for 100 million people not suspected or charged with any crime is an incredibly disproportionate, privacy-thwarting response to not being able to access user data in one criminal investigation.
  - sangnoir 11y ago
    > Shutting it down for 100 million people not suspected or charged with any crime is an incredibly disproportionate, privacy-thwarting response to not being able to access user data in one criminal investigation. What proportional recourse do you suggest when Whatsapp are effectively in contempt of court (in absentia)? In most jurisdictions, obstructing the course of justice usually has heavy penalties.
- wslh 11y ago
  I am against the use of warrants when there is nothing to search...
  - sangnoir 11y ago
    > I am against the use of warrants when there is nothing to search... End to end encrypting doesn't magically cause metadata to disappear. IP addresses, the times messages were sent and received are still useful to law enforcement. In this instance, the court want the IP address of the accused so they can follow up with the ISP. I prefer warrants written out for specific individuals to dragnet surveillance.

Zarel 11y ago

Yahoo is also a participant in PRISM, and fought as hard as they could against it in secret court. https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ I think it's safe to assume that all companies involved in PRISM aren't happy with it and tried their hardest to fight it.

shawn-butler 11y ago
That isn't the same thing as civil disobedience