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That's the problem with all these judicial orders. They think it's a flip of the switch to comply. Why don't the courts provide the money to build the service
by ww520 11y ago
That's the problem with all these judicial orders. They think it's a flip of the switch to comply. Why don't the courts provide the money to build the services and infrastructure to comply with the order?
- CiPHPerCoder 11y agoThat would require a backdoor that didn't exist at the time and that WhatsApp doesn't want to create.
- TearsInTheRain 11y agoIt would require more than a backdoor but dozens of data centers as well as the software and personnel to manage them all
- whatever_dude 11y agoOrders like these are normally written out by judges that are completely oblivious to how reality works. Adding to that the fact that people with power know they tend to get things their way in Brazil, and that the government is all-powerful, I'm quite sure this guy just assumed he could change the laws of the universe with a stroke of his pen.
- boobsbr 11y ago> he could change the laws of the universe with a stroke of his pen that's how the legislative and judiciary branches think here in Brazil, write the problems away with a law. it called 'canetada'.
- kerkeslager 11y ago> it called 'canetada'. It's wonderful to have a succinct word for a concept like that; I wish there were such a word in English. Do you have any background information about the origins and meaning of this word?
- kawera 11y agoCaneta means pen in portuguese. Canetada, although not a dictionary word, means the act of swiftly using a pen to show "who is the boss" - signing an impromptu decree or order of questionable legitimacy for example.
- whatever_dude 11y agoPortuguese, maybe especially Brazilian Portuguese, has a good number of made-up words that can be created by simply adding certain suffixes to common words. They might not be in the dictionary; that'd grow its number of words exponentially I assume. But they're widely used and understood. In this case, "-ada" is basically added to words when something is used indiscriminately, normally by hitting something or someone, or throwing it. Whacking someone with a wooden stick ("pau") is a "paulada". Kicking a ball ("bola") on someone is a "bolada". Poking someone with a pin ("alfinete") is a "alfinetada". Therefore, using a pen ("caneta") indiscriminately becomes a "canetada". The same word would be used if you threw the pen at someone's head, so there's that.
- alchemism 11y agoYes, judges are fond of doing that. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/29/fbi-hacking-computers-warrants-supreme-court-congress https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/29/fbi-hacki...
- Grollicus 11y agoIn Germany you get recompensation for that. Also one might argue if they don't like the laws they shouldn't access the market.
- serge2k 11y agoNah, you just gotta DISRUPT the current laws.
- habosa 11y agoNot that I am a big fan of this particular law/result, but I want to highlight the second half of your sentence: "if they don't like the laws they shouldn't access the market" That is something the HN crowd does not seem to understand/respect. Most of us enjoy the personal protection of the law yet we want to whip up a webapp and have no laws apply to us.
- lerpa 11y agoBad laws are bad laws, it's idiotic to support them.
- habosa 11y agoIf you think harder you will realize that is false. The rule of law itself has value, and we can only live in a lawful society if we respect all laws and change them via established processes. Otherwise someone may decide that your favorite law is "idiotic" and you will have no recourse.
- odbol 11y agoTo give them some message that was deleted years ago? What is Facebook supposed to do, build a time machine?
- ptaipale 11y agoAnd not just the money. They try to override the logic of the universe. A company cannot provide data that it does not have and has no way of acquiring.