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Also: Cleveland as well. (... jokes on me, you were all going to keep away anyway)

by thearn4 10y ago

plandis 10y ago
Even after factoring in for cost of living adjustments Cleveland isn't worth it for me. It's still a huge pay cut and while there are a few interesting start-ups, big businesses still dominate (Progressive, GE, Philips, Key Bank, The Fed, IBM, etc) and don't have the standard developer-friendly attitude of a lot of west coast tech companies do. I say this as someone that graduated from CWRU. Cleveland doesn't want developers badly enough to increase wages and benefits. This is all super unfortunate since I still fly out to Ohio several times a year to visit family and it would have been nice to stay in the region.
tzakrajs 10y ago
My nana tells me Cleveland is up and coming and that I should move back home. But Cleveland is a city that will always be "up and coming". Perpetually fighting the reality that they are one of the most average cities of all time. I love Cleveland and I am glad I was raised there, but I can't come up with a convincing reason to go back.
- thearn4 10y ago
  It has a weird gravity that tends to bring people back, but I agree there isn't a ton of incentive to come back or anchor here unless a great job opens up (which did so for me but ymmv). To be fair, I think that all of the rust belt cities sit on an economic spectrum that runs from Flint/Youngstown all the way to Pittsburg/Chicago. Cleveland has teetered towards both sides at different times. It's trending towards a more healthy post-industrial identity now, but could really use a shake-up in the city leadership.
- vgeek 10y ago
  Ohio as a whole is boring. Hardly any outdoor activities and the only scenery is corn. I guess if you like amusement parks, but besides that, it has to be one of the most generic/bland populated states.
tzakrajs 10y ago
For some fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

Also: Cleveland as well. (... jokes on me, you were all going to keep away anyway)

by thearn4 10y ago

Also: Cleveland as well. (... jokes on me, you were all going to keep away anyway)

Even after factoring in for cost of living adjustments Cleveland isn't worth it for me. It's still a huge pay cut and while there are a few interesting start-ups, big businesses still dominate (Progressive, GE, Philips, Key Bank, The Fed, IBM, etc) and don't have the standard developer-friendly attitude of a lot of west coast tech companies do. I say this as someone that graduated from CWRU. Cleveland doesn't want developers badly enough to increase wages and benefits. This is all super unfortunate since I still fly out to Ohio several times a year to visit family and it would have been nice to stay in the region.

tzakrajs 10y ago

My nana tells me Cleveland is up and coming and that I should move back home. But Cleveland is a city that will always be "up and coming". Perpetually fighting the reality that they are one of the most average cities of all time. I love Cleveland and I am glad I was raised there, but I can't come up with a convincing reason to go back.

thearn4 10y ago
It has a weird gravity that tends to bring people back, but I agree there isn't a ton of incentive to come back or anchor here unless a great job opens up (which did so for me but ymmv). To be fair, I think that all of the rust belt cities sit on an economic spectrum that runs from Flint/Youngstown all the way to Pittsburg/Chicago. Cleveland has teetered towards both sides at different times. It's trending towards a more healthy post-industrial identity now, but could really use a shake-up in the city leadership.
vgeek 10y ago
Ohio as a whole is boring. Hardly any outdoor activities and the only scenery is corn. I guess if you like amusement parks, but besides that, it has to be one of the most generic/bland populated states.

tzakrajs 10y ago

For some fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM