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This is like the time I asked someone on Reddit what they meant by funding education "fully." They said, "double." So... we'd be a world leader in primary and s

This is like the time I asked someone on Reddit what they meant by funding education "fully." They said, "double." So... we'd be a world leader in primary and secondary education again if we just spent twice what we currently do? Well, I guess it was an answer. There are 2 kinds of people: those who think that more money will somehow fix everything (them), and those that think more money will only exacerbate the problems that have brought us to the current point of the debate (me). As a matter of fact, as I write this, I think that may be the single most significant distinction between "conservativism" and "liberalism," as practiced in the US.

enjo 11y ago
>As a matter of fact, as I write this, I think that may be the single most significant distinction between "conservativism" and "liberalism," as practiced in the US. Ugh.. no it's not. That's a massive mischaracterization of liberalism. Liberals, by and large, do not think that throwing additional funding at things (for the sake of additional funds) will improve systems. It's an unfounded and cartoonish view of liberal policy.
- TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
  My point in writing the comment was, in fact, to reduce the argument to one sentence. Don't get me started on who has the absolute stranglehold on political mischaracterization by simplification, when it's the left that screams "racism" every time someone tries to talk about illegal immigration and terrorism, neither of which is a race. That, too, is a "cartoonish" view of the argument. It is the cheapest form of political "debate" to be found today. So I guess oversimplification abounds on both sides.
  - enjo 11y ago
    Well maybe don't be one of the idiots who participates in this nonsense?
superuser2 11y ago
Um, no, liberals and conservatives generally fight over whether the spending should be on defense/security or social welfare. People who want to defund both defense and social welfare (libertarians) are an extremely rare fringe group that's vastly overrepresented on HN but gets basically no votes in the real world.
- TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
  Yeah, well count me as one of those "no" votes. I voted for Barr in '08. Till people get it through their heads to stop "holding their noses" and casting votes on D's and R's, that's all they're ever going to get.
Joof 11y ago
Which is the one that thinks increasing funding helps? Conservatives?
chillwaves 11y ago
Ah yes, the thrifty conservatives that led us into the multi trillion dollar boondoggle of the Iraq War.
- TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
  Admittedly, it may not have been clear, but I was referring to social issues. I don't consider the TSA a security issue. That's a work program wrapped up in propaganda.
  - themartorana 11y ago
    If we have to spend money on a work program - and whether I'm for or against that in principal is not relevant here - could it be on something less dehumanizing for everyone paying for it, and less absurdly power-trip-y for the benefactors?

enjo 11y ago

>As a matter of fact, as I write this, I think that may be the single most significant distinction between "conservativism" and "liberalism," as practiced in the US. Ugh.. no it's not. That's a massive mischaracterization of liberalism. Liberals, by and large, do not think that throwing additional funding at things (for the sake of additional funds) will improve systems. It's an unfounded and cartoonish view of liberal policy.

TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
My point in writing the comment was, in fact, to reduce the argument to one sentence. Don't get me started on who has the absolute stranglehold on political mischaracterization by simplification, when it's the left that screams "racism" every time someone tries to talk about illegal immigration and terrorism, neither of which is a race. That, too, is a "cartoonish" view of the argument. It is the cheapest form of political "debate" to be found today. So I guess oversimplification abounds on both sides.
- enjo 11y ago
  Well maybe don't be one of the idiots who participates in this nonsense?

superuser2 11y ago

Um, no, liberals and conservatives generally fight over whether the spending should be on defense/security or social welfare. People who want to defund both defense and social welfare (libertarians) are an extremely rare fringe group that's vastly overrepresented on HN but gets basically no votes in the real world.

TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
Yeah, well count me as one of those "no" votes. I voted for Barr in '08. Till people get it through their heads to stop "holding their noses" and casting votes on D's and R's, that's all they're ever going to get.

Joof 11y ago

Which is the one that thinks increasing funding helps? Conservatives?

chillwaves 11y ago

Ah yes, the thrifty conservatives that led us into the multi trillion dollar boondoggle of the Iraq War.

TheRealDunkirk 11y ago
Admittedly, it may not have been clear, but I was referring to social issues. I don't consider the TSA a security issue. That's a work program wrapped up in propaganda.
- themartorana 11y ago
  If we have to spend money on a work program - and whether I'm for or against that in principal is not relevant here - could it be on something less dehumanizing for everyone paying for it, and less absurdly power-trip-y for the benefactors?