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One more author rant before the thread vanishes, here are a couple points from the book. 1. The Soviet internet is a sideways allegory for the present. The Sov
by bjp210 10y ago
One more author rant before the thread vanishes, here are a couple points from the book.
1. The Soviet internet is a sideways allegory for the present. The Soviet Union, once we work through its parade of horribles, helps separate us from and then rethink our current network values. General secretaries, whether state or corporate, have long been trying to privatize our information.
2. The reasons the Soviets did not develop a network are not the reasons we often like to think: it's not because networks are anathema to censorship and control structures (think cybersecurity and dictatorships today), it's not because of technological backwardness (que Soviet military networks since the mid 1950s), it's not exactly because their genuinely screwed up command economy was either too rigid or hierarchical (que the rest of the book).
3. The Soviet story is a tragedy of big science and state support gone wrong, as well as a cautionary tale for how we go about building the network future in those terms.
And a link dump: enjoy!
Review by David Strom
http://blog.strom.com/wp/?p=5287 http://blog.strom.com/wp/?p=5287
Review by Michael Gordin in Nature
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v532/n7600/full/532438a.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v532/n7600/full/532438a...
Podcast segment with Kerri Smith (starts at 6:50) in Nature
http://www.nature.com/nature/podcast/index-2016-04-28.html http://www.nature.com/nature/podcast/index-2016-04-28.html
Conversation in The Atlantic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/us-research-and-development/477435/ http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/04/us-res...
- aomurphy 10y agoSo, I'm getting the sense this is related to Glushkov's work on pricing right? My understanding, please correct me if I am wrong, was to try and track all items and use computer systems to optimize production and pricing. Was that integral to the network he envisioned? Do you touch much on the various economic debates in the Soviet Academy at the time on how to run a non-market system, like Kantorovich's ideas?
- bjp210 10y agoThat's right. The network project was the means Glushkov envisioned for realizing both economic optimization and a series of other technical upgrades, both wild (like mind uploading) and mundane (like paperless office). Yes, Kantorovich, Glushkov, and the economic cybernetic regulation of market without the market (contra Kosygin-Liberman reforms) figure squarely into the central chapters.
- fredgrott 10y agohow does this compare to an overlooked success of Soviet Tech ie CDMA..which was their invention..
- bjp210 10y agoGreat lead. Glushkov's network ideas are definitely overlooked, but the parallel with the CDMA in weak. Perhaps a stronger parallel is with, say, Lashkaryov's p-n junction, which became an important innovation (semiconductor) but thanks to others elsewhere. Loren Graham's Lonely Ideas is a great book for more on the larger history of brilliant ideas and halting innovations. https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/lonely-ideas https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/lonely-ideas