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Consider donating it to the Internet Archive. This is precisely the kind of thing they really do a good job with, and it's worth saving.

by cbd1984 10y ago

rustyk5 10y ago
Yeah I don't really mind continuing to host it -- in archived form it wouldn't be any burden. But I'll talk to people.
- mst 10y ago
  I'd vote for "both" - since I'd love you to be hosting the archive on the original domain for the moment, but I have more faith in them not Failing to Deal with Stuff than you (and were I in your shoes I'd be thinking the exact same thing about myself) - and, also, I'm kinda hoping the internet archive will outlast us both unless we get immortality soon enough. Also, [insert gushing praise here], I loved k5 back in the day.
- orionblastar 10y ago
  http://dontsuemebro.com http://dontsuemebro.com Del Griffin seems to be working on Scoop improving it on his Scoop site. He can run your Kuro5hin and maybe even fix the cancel button and other things. He's currently adding HTML tags and trying to fix the https links without the a href tag in autoformat.
  - trane0x40 10y ago
    I'll run it better. Turn it over to me. There's gold in the database that got censored on the site. I'll assume all legal liability.
    - orionblastar 10y ago
      Yeah Lulzara can't sue any more because he had a Vespa accident and died. So Crawford's diary on him could come back an be undeleted. It tells the truth on technology companies and how they cheat software consulants out of money.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  Hey Rusty! If you bring the site back online, we can archive it and push it into archive.org for permanent storage. Just drop into #archiveteam on EFnet IRC and let someone know its ready for ArchiveBot to ingest when its back online.
gherkin0 10y ago
> and it's worth saving. That's kind of an interesting question. There's certainly some stuff there worth saving forever, but there's also stuff that's just plain bad or that's the intellectual equivalent of embarrassing childhood photos, which may not be worth saving at all. I never was part of Usenet, but I understand a lot of people were angry at Dejanews and Google when what was once (perhaps naively) viewed as ephemeral communication was turned into a public searchable archive. At least most people on Kuro5hin used pseudonyms.
- jsmthrowaway 10y ago
  > That's kind of an interesting question. There's certainly some stuff there worth saving forever, but there's also stuff that's just plain bad or that's the intellectual equivalent of embarrassing childhood photos, which may not be worth saving at all. That isn't your call, and is nobody's call, really. Better to preserve it all and let people decide for themselves when they look at it.
- Kadin 10y ago
  I was a user of K5 and I don't think anyone there viewed it as "ephemeral communication". If they thought so, it seems as though the joke's sort of on them, given that the site stayed operational for almost 17 years. I can forgive that sort of attitude among the early users of Usenet, because there was a long period during which it was just technically infeasible to have a permanent archive of everything (and it's still kinda true, if you count binaries groups; most Usenet providers don't keep everything forever). But that was definitely not the case by the time K5 came around. The site's culture, at least IMO, was that if you really embarrassed yourself your way out was by ditching your pseudonym and starting over (or by saying the dumb thing under a throwaway account to begin with, which was perhaps too easy on K5). There's perhaps some argument to be made that forums that require real-name registration ought to allow comments to either be deleted (bad) or anonymized (probably better) on request, to allow people to move away from past statements. But I don't know if that's ever really been a reasonable expectation on a pseudonymous forum, at least of the non-toy/non-amateur variety.
visarga 10y ago
K5 is blocked by robots.txt on Archive.org

Consider donating it to the Internet Archive. This is precisely the kind of thing they really do a good job with, and it's worth saving.

by cbd1984 10y ago

Consider donating it to the Internet Archive. This is precisely the kind of thing they really do a good job with, and it's worth saving.

rustyk5 10y ago

Yeah I don't really mind continuing to host it -- in archived form it wouldn't be any burden. But I'll talk to people.

mst 10y ago
I'd vote for "both" - since I'd love you to be hosting the archive on the original domain for the moment, but I have more faith in them not Failing to Deal with Stuff than you (and were I in your shoes I'd be thinking the exact same thing about myself) - and, also, I'm kinda hoping the internet archive will outlast us both unless we get immortality soon enough. Also, [insert gushing praise here], I loved k5 back in the day.
orionblastar 10y ago
http://dontsuemebro.com http://dontsuemebro.com Del Griffin seems to be working on Scoop improving it on his Scoop site. He can run your Kuro5hin and maybe even fix the cancel button and other things. He's currently adding HTML tags and trying to fix the https links without the a href tag in autoformat.
- trane0x40 10y ago
  I'll run it better. Turn it over to me. There's gold in the database that got censored on the site. I'll assume all legal liability.
  - orionblastar 10y ago
    Yeah Lulzara can't sue any more because he had a Vespa accident and died. So Crawford's diary on him could come back an be undeleted. It tells the truth on technology companies and how they cheat software consulants out of money.
toomuchtodo 10y ago
Hey Rusty! If you bring the site back online, we can archive it and push it into archive.org for permanent storage. Just drop into #archiveteam on EFnet IRC and let someone know its ready for ArchiveBot to ingest when its back online.

gherkin0 10y ago

> and it's worth saving. That's kind of an interesting question. There's certainly some stuff there worth saving forever, but there's also stuff that's just plain bad or that's the intellectual equivalent of embarrassing childhood photos, which may not be worth saving at all. I never was part of Usenet, but I understand a lot of people were angry at Dejanews and Google when what was once (perhaps naively) viewed as ephemeral communication was turned into a public searchable archive. At least most people on Kuro5hin used pseudonyms.

jsmthrowaway 10y ago
> That's kind of an interesting question. There's certainly some stuff there worth saving forever, but there's also stuff that's just plain bad or that's the intellectual equivalent of embarrassing childhood photos, which may not be worth saving at all. That isn't your call, and is nobody's call, really. Better to preserve it all and let people decide for themselves when they look at it.
Kadin 10y ago
I was a user of K5 and I don't think anyone there viewed it as "ephemeral communication". If they thought so, it seems as though the joke's sort of on them, given that the site stayed operational for almost 17 years. I can forgive that sort of attitude among the early users of Usenet, because there was a long period during which it was just technically infeasible to have a permanent archive of everything (and it's still kinda true, if you count binaries groups; most Usenet providers don't keep everything forever). But that was definitely not the case by the time K5 came around. The site's culture, at least IMO, was that if you really embarrassed yourself your way out was by ditching your pseudonym and starting over (or by saying the dumb thing under a throwaway account to begin with, which was perhaps too easy on K5). There's perhaps some argument to be made that forums that require real-name registration ought to allow comments to either be deleted (bad) or anonymized (probably better) on request, to allow people to move away from past statements. But I don't know if that's ever really been a reasonable expectation on a pseudonymous forum, at least of the non-toy/non-amateur variety.

visarga 10y ago

K5 is blocked by robots.txt on Archive.org