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> DeepMind IS Google. Asserting that it isn't doesn't magically make them a separate legal entity. in the context of this data, yes, there is significant disti
by foxhill 10y ago
> DeepMind IS Google. Asserting that it isn't doesn't magically make them a separate legal entity.
in the context of this data, yes, there is significant distinction between the two.
> Arrogant insults are not a useful form of rhetoric.
sorry, i'm not trying to be arrogant.
> You may trust Google, but trust isn't transitive.
true.
> You're projecting your own situation on others. For someone with HIV (which is one of that data points being sent to Google), that medical fact may play a very defining role in their life.
i'd argue that letting yourself be defined by your HIV status is a poor metric to live ones life by, but you're right, that's not my call to make.
> It does. Why would you think that someone that is against Google gathering more data is fine with the government doing the same? Both of those groups need to be defended against.
playing the cynical card about governments vs corporations - a corp has no incentive in using my data in the same way a government has ala dragnet surveilence, to which there is a resounding response of apathy toward. of course the HN crowd care about these things, but we're a somewhat isolated bubble of people compared to the rest of society.. although that's another discussion.
> Then prove it;
of course, i cannot do that. and my feelings toward a group of people can't dictate how others should feel toward them - i know. but the team at deepmind are looking to do some amazing things. and this article from vice screams ignorance. maybe deepmind could be more transparent about their work. that's not my call though.
> Who cares what their interest is today.
it matters significantly - they can't keep the data after sept 2017, so if for some reason the direction of the group changes, there is only so much they can do with it. but it would set the field back decades if anyone at deepmind were to do anything so irresponsible as what you might be suggesting.
- pdkl95 10y ago> a corp has no incentive in using my data in the same way a government has ala dragnet surveilence, Did you miss the disclosures about that surveillance over the last few years, which indicate that governments are taking data from from those corporate databases? With programs like (but not limited to) Prism, giving data to a corporation may effectively be the same giving it to governments. > anyone at deepmind were to do You need to consider a threat model that includes more than that one group. What about everyone else at Google, or anybody with access to Google's internal networks, etc. Security is a process that has to be applied at all layers.