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What you're saying is "statistics might tell one story, but let me tell you, without citing sources or evidence, those statistics are wrong".
by untog 11y ago
What you're saying is "statistics might tell one story, but let me tell you, without citing sources or evidence, those statistics are wrong".
- yawgmoth 11y agoYou can have a quantifiable increase in quality of life without it being a meaningful increase in quality of life.
- termain 11y agoThat seems incompleat. Could you continue?
- scalio 11y agoMost quality of life reports include ratings that are some variation on "average monthly income", meaning this nowadays pretty arbitrary measure of wealth aka money that you have no control over is factored into how happy you're supposed to be. Money is not the primary condition for happiness for many people, and markets are a complex thing, meaning having more money does not automatically entail having a better life. (just my understanding of parent's comment)
- cookiecaper 11y ago"Never trust a statistic you haven't faked yourself".
- simonb 11y agoFor one, suicide rates in the developed world are on the rise: http://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/ http://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
- MichaelGG 11y agoBut this might be caused by all sorts of things. More people rejecting (or being more "moderate" in) religion, for instance. Or more people being able to get a more accurate view of the world. Or social acceptability changing. Doesn't seem fair to look at overall statistics for peace and prosperity, then say "well that doesn't really count".
- simonb 11y agoOf course, but all these are manifestations of the same ideological system (that also brought "peace and prosperity").
- f1hybrid 11y agoIf there is a rise in the curve of suicides caused by more people having an accurate view of the world, a realisation that causes them to take their own lives, I'm sure the solution is not to try to get people to believe in something that is false.
- wfo 11y agoNo, what he's saying is "your metrics are measuring the wrong things and so it does not matter what numbers pop out of them; they are completely meaningless when it comes to answering the question which is actually important".
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- davnn 11y agoBut nobody can answer the important question except for themselves.
- onetimePete 11y agoYou can measure the amount of ability to choose and answer your own questions though. Also, this all very idealistic nonsense- until 300 years ago, we lived basically in tribal community, and people yearn for that, no matter how futuristic they dress up.
- StanislavPetrov 11y agoNo, what he is saying is that you can make any argument appear valid if you cherry pick statistics. There's less violence according to who? There are more people in prison today then any time in history. I'd argue that imprisoning someone is an act of violence. Violent coercion is also violence. Every time the government violates your rights, at the point of the gun, that's violence. That occurs hundreds of millions of times per day due to the actions of our police state. Delusional people who talk about the rosy benefits of overpopulation always fail to mention that overpopulation is a direct cause of the 6th mass extinction, the saturation of the environment with chemical pollutants, the overfishing of the oceans, the destruction of tillable fields with nitrogen injection (which also leads to massive dead zones in waterways from runoff), and the list goes on. Talking about how wonderful overpopulation is and how great we are getting along is like talking about how warm and comforting the fire on the life boat is while you burn your oars. It seems like a great idea until the oars are gone and not only are you cold, but you can no longer row.