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I stand by my statement that you are only "being argumentative by deciding to use your personal ideas of what majority/minority means, then complaining when oth
by dalke 11y ago
I stand by my statement that you are only "being argumentative by deciding to use your personal ideas of what majority/minority means, then complaining when others use a different definition."
If your proposal is what I think it is then, if not technically wrong, it is useless to the point where it can be discarded as a way to understand social issues. But as you haven't really given an idea of what your definition is, it's hard for me to really evaluate it. (How is it meaningful to say that the Althing is run by a minority?)
The decades of literature on the topic has a largely coherent use of what "social minority" means, with much discussion on what it means, including highlighting the distinction between numerical and social minority. For example, quoting from the UN at http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publications/MinorityRights_en.pdf http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Publications/MinorityRights_e... :
> In most instances a minority group will be a numerical minority, but in others a numerical majority may also find itself in a minority-like or non-dominant position, such as Blacks under the apartheid regime in South Africa.
You are also correct that is it partially subjective. Again, quoting from that document:
>It is often stressed that the existence of a minority is a
question of fact and that any definition must include both objective factors
(such as the existence of a shared ethnicity, language or religion) and
subjective factors (including that individuals must identify themselves as
members of a minority).
and
> The question often arises as to whether, for example, persons with
disabilities, persons belonging to certain political groups or persons
with a particular sexual orientation or identity (lesbian, gay, bisexual,
transgender or intersexual persons) constitute minorities. While the United
Nations Minorities Declaration is devoted to national, ethnic, religious and
linguistic minorities, it is also important to combat multiple discrimination
and to address situations where a person belonging to a national or
ethnic, religious and linguistic minority is also discriminated against on
other grounds such as gender, disability or sexual orientation.
and
> Similarly to minorities, there is no universally accepted international
definition of indigenous peoples.
But that is true of almost every social grouping. What is "Christian"?
That said, for the purposes of this census report, "minority" means "minorities as defined by the US government", and the definition is clear.
Instead, you're pointing to ambiguities on the edges and interpreting it as a problem with the core, when by all that I can tell, it's mostly a lack of willingness on your part to understand the topic.
- danieltillett 11y agoI am not complaining that others use the terms minority and majority differently to me, I am complaining that the terms have lost all meaning because they have been used so inconsistently. I would like us to use new terms with consistent meanings so we can talk constructively about serious issues. Yes I understand what the concept minority means in regards the US census even if the groupings are now mostly historical rather than informative. This breakdown in meaning is reflected in the growing percentage of the population who do not feel they belong uniquely to one of the census categories.
- dalke 11y agoThere is no more ambiguity over the term "minority group" than there is over the term "Christian". Has the term "Christianity" lost all its meaning? Shall we stop talking about it until there's a well-defined term? The current interpretations of "minority" and "minority group" has been the primary definition for longer than you've likely been alive. You might as well complain about "calculus" because not only is it not dealing with pebbles, but it's really a short-hand for "calculus of infinitesimals", and not meant to include the calculus of variations or lambda calculus.