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Satoshi

157 points by kenOfYugen 10y ago

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Lanari 10y ago
Will the real Satoshi please stand up? I repeat, will the real Satoshi please stand up?
knocte 10y ago
Last time I watched a video of Craig, I was so completely convinced he was not the type of person to be Satoshi. Now, given this blog post, what I'm wondering is: maybe Satoshi offered his private keys to this guy to avoid problems in the future, and so that they stop chasing him? EDIT: s/sold/offered/ (because I believe Satoshi doesn't have the need to sell anything these days)
- mappum 10y ago
  > maybe Satoshi sold his private keys to this guy to avoid problems in the future? That's the best theory I've heard so far. That would explain why he chose a weak verification message (the Sartre quote, instead of a message that proves the signature to be recent). The real Satoshi would have chosen a different proof, but Wright doesn't know any better.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    From reading the blog post referenced here it seems Craig signed other messages besides the JPS one to Gavin Andresen and other people
  - pliny 10y ago
    >The real Satoshi would have chosen a different proof How could you know what the real Satoshi would do?
    - TD-Linux 10y ago
      The Bitcoin genesis block includes a newspaper headline from that day to prove that it wasn't constructed earlier ('premined').
    - draugadrotten 10y ago
      > How could you know what the real Satoshi would do? mappum is - or has access to - the real Satoshi of course!
  - xorcist 10y ago
    > why he chose a weak verification message So far, he hasn't published the verification message in full, and no signature either. The ones in the blog are dummies.
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- donkeyd 10y ago
  I the oddest thing for me is that Satoshi spent all this time hiding and then posts a huge blog to prove it's him.
  - Mayzie 10y ago
    > then posts a huge blog to prove it's him. He was forced to. He doesn't want to be public, and he wishes he didn't have to be.
    - bambax 10y ago
      This is plain untrue. As explained in The Economist article, this Wright guy began approaching a (well-known and respected) author about writing is biography months before the first outing in December. There would be nothing to tell in his biography if he's not Bitcoin's inventor. He may be or not be Bitcoin's inventor (I strongly suspect he isn't) but in both cases he really wanted to be known, at least starting in mid-2015.
    - konradb 10y ago
      > He was forced to. He doesn't want to be public, and he wishes he didn't have to be. What evidence is there for this?
  - draugadrotten 10y ago
    Perhaps the real Satoshi can no longer hide as before but rather wants to hide in the group of wannabe-Satoshis by appearing to have been dismissed as a fake Satoshi.
  - aurumpotest 10y ago
    Not saying it's not odd, but have you seen this video of Wright? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZNtbAFnr-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZNtbAFnr-0 If he is Satoshi, and what he's saying about being forced to reveal his identity now is true, it would make sense to provide the minimum that the threateners would accept, knowing that the community wouldn't buy it. That video is really odd. (FWIW I don't believe this claim is or isn't true, I'm waiting for more info.)
greenyoda 10y ago
Main discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609611
curiousgal 10y ago
I wrote a comment saying "This is sketchy as fuck" and was forced to delete it given the number of downvotes. Now that this has been debunked guess who was right..
- rdl 10y ago
  Generally if you are polite and articulate WHY you are suspicious, people will cut you more slack. I'm very reluctant to believe Craig Wright is Satoshi, but didn't have firm evidence (because he hadn't released info). Now that it appears the "signature of message" is just a signature from something else, it looks like he's actively a fraud, but I haven't validated it myself. (The back-dated PGP key and alternate subkey from earlier was super sketch, but could have been someone else.) You're probably right.
  - curiousgal 10y ago
    You are right I should've elaborated. To me it reeked of conspiracy, it was odd for both Anderson and Matonis to come out with parallel blog posts endorsing this guy without a solid proof. He could've signed the genisis block and be done with it but no they had to go through all this trouble. Cryptographic proofs speak for themselves, just release them to the public instead of relying on a centralized authority (Anderson and Matonis) to verify them, which is ironic.
- jbmorgado 10y ago
  Well, well, your critic was not really worded with a high level of eloquence, but in any case, it's not like the bitcoin community is known for taking any kind of critic anyway. The downvote button always ready for those that don't follow the true path of Crypto and welcome Bitcoin in their hearts as the true mankind savior.
- devishard 10y ago
  If that was your entire comment, I would have downvoted you, not because I thought you were wrong, but because you didn't add any information and didn't contribute meaningful to the conversation.
jcoffland 10y ago
Turns out Craig is still a fraud. He searched the blockchain for interesting texts signed by Satoshi and then claimed one was proof that he was Satoshi. The Sartre quote has been hanging out on the blockchain for years.
- jerguismi 10y ago
  Hmm, can you link to the sartre quote on some public block explorer?
6nf 10y ago
Gavin, if you are wrong about this ... I hope you are not but it sure looks like it
marvel_boy 10y ago
He is not Satoshi. He is just a fraud like most "entrepreneurs"
- mlvljr 10y ago
  must take some guts to post this on HN :)
kowdermeister 10y ago
Shouldn't proof would be as simple as somebody moving 1 bitcoin known to be linked to Satoshi? All else is myth, anecdote and manipulation. Show us the money :)
- tantalor 10y ago
  Nah, 1 bitcoin is excessive... only need to move 1 satoshi right? :)
  - kowdermeister 10y ago
    Right, but the guy is a billionaire, he could show off a bit :)
deweller 10y ago
Wait. Are we sure Gavin wrote this? Has Gavin confirmed this anywhere else? Gavin doesn't mention it on his Twitter account. Does anyone have a primary source that corroborates this from Gavin?
- raverbashing 10y ago
  Somebody could do a NLP analysis on the last post and compare to the rest of his writings to see if there are major discrepancies
  - pboutros 10y ago
    Or, we could just read it. #liberalfartseducation
juandazapata 10y ago
Show everybody how you move one of those old Bitcoins in the early blocks. Other than that, this is just a circus.
molsongolden 10y ago
> "Craig signed a message that I chose ("Gavin's favorite number is eleven. CSW" if I recall correctly) using the private key from block number 1. > That signature was copied on to a clean usb stick I brought with me to London, and then validated on a brand-new laptop with a freshly downloaded copy of electrum. > I was not allowed to keep the message or laptop (fear it would leak before Official Announcement). > I don't have an explanation for the funky OpenSSL procedure in his blog post." https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4hfyyo/gavin_can_you_please_detail_all_parts_of_the/d2plygg https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4hfyyo/gavin_can_you_p...

Satoshi

157 points by kenOfYugen 10y ago

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Lanari 10y ago

Will the real Satoshi please stand up? I repeat, will the real Satoshi please stand up?

knocte 10y ago

Last time I watched a video of Craig, I was so completely convinced he was not the type of person to be Satoshi. Now, given this blog post, what I'm wondering is: maybe Satoshi offered his private keys to this guy to avoid problems in the future, and so that they stop chasing him? EDIT: s/sold/offered/ (because I believe Satoshi doesn't have the need to sell anything these days)

mappum 10y ago
> maybe Satoshi sold his private keys to this guy to avoid problems in the future? That's the best theory I've heard so far. That would explain why he chose a weak verification message (the Sartre quote, instead of a message that proves the signature to be recent). The real Satoshi would have chosen a different proof, but Wright doesn't know any better.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  From reading the blog post referenced here it seems Craig signed other messages besides the JPS one to Gavin Andresen and other people
- pliny 10y ago
  >The real Satoshi would have chosen a different proof How could you know what the real Satoshi would do?
  - TD-Linux 10y ago
    The Bitcoin genesis block includes a newspaper headline from that day to prove that it wasn't constructed earlier ('premined').
  - draugadrotten 10y ago
    > How could you know what the real Satoshi would do? mappum is - or has access to - the real Satoshi of course!
- xorcist 10y ago
  > why he chose a weak verification message So far, he hasn't published the verification message in full, and no signature either. The ones in the blog are dummies.
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donkeyd 10y ago
I the oddest thing for me is that Satoshi spent all this time hiding and then posts a huge blog to prove it's him.
- Mayzie 10y ago
  > then posts a huge blog to prove it's him. He was forced to. He doesn't want to be public, and he wishes he didn't have to be.
  - bambax 10y ago
    This is plain untrue. As explained in The Economist article, this Wright guy began approaching a (well-known and respected) author about writing is biography months before the first outing in December. There would be nothing to tell in his biography if he's not Bitcoin's inventor. He may be or not be Bitcoin's inventor (I strongly suspect he isn't) but in both cases he really wanted to be known, at least starting in mid-2015.
  - konradb 10y ago
    > He was forced to. He doesn't want to be public, and he wishes he didn't have to be. What evidence is there for this?
- draugadrotten 10y ago
  Perhaps the real Satoshi can no longer hide as before but rather wants to hide in the group of wannabe-Satoshis by appearing to have been dismissed as a fake Satoshi.
- aurumpotest 10y ago
  Not saying it's not odd, but have you seen this video of Wright? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZNtbAFnr-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZNtbAFnr-0 If he is Satoshi, and what he's saying about being forced to reveal his identity now is true, it would make sense to provide the minimum that the threateners would accept, knowing that the community wouldn't buy it. That video is really odd. (FWIW I don't believe this claim is or isn't true, I'm waiting for more info.)

greenyoda 10y ago

Main discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609611 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609611

curiousgal 10y ago

I wrote a comment saying "This is sketchy as fuck" and was forced to delete it given the number of downvotes. Now that this has been debunked guess who was right..

rdl 10y ago
Generally if you are polite and articulate WHY you are suspicious, people will cut you more slack. I'm very reluctant to believe Craig Wright is Satoshi, but didn't have firm evidence (because he hadn't released info). Now that it appears the "signature of message" is just a signature from something else, it looks like he's actively a fraud, but I haven't validated it myself. (The back-dated PGP key and alternate subkey from earlier was super sketch, but could have been someone else.) You're probably right.
- curiousgal 10y ago
  You are right I should've elaborated. To me it reeked of conspiracy, it was odd for both Anderson and Matonis to come out with parallel blog posts endorsing this guy without a solid proof. He could've signed the genisis block and be done with it but no they had to go through all this trouble. Cryptographic proofs speak for themselves, just release them to the public instead of relying on a centralized authority (Anderson and Matonis) to verify them, which is ironic.
jbmorgado 10y ago
Well, well, your critic was not really worded with a high level of eloquence, but in any case, it's not like the bitcoin community is known for taking any kind of critic anyway. The downvote button always ready for those that don't follow the true path of Crypto and welcome Bitcoin in their hearts as the true mankind savior.
devishard 10y ago
If that was your entire comment, I would have downvoted you, not because I thought you were wrong, but because you didn't add any information and didn't contribute meaningful to the conversation.

jcoffland 10y ago

Turns out Craig is still a fraud. He searched the blockchain for interesting texts signed by Satoshi and then claimed one was proof that he was Satoshi. The Sartre quote has been hanging out on the blockchain for years.

jerguismi 10y ago
Hmm, can you link to the sartre quote on some public block explorer?

6nf 10y ago

Gavin, if you are wrong about this ... I hope you are not but it sure looks like it

marvel_boy 10y ago

He is not Satoshi. He is just a fraud like most "entrepreneurs"

mlvljr 10y ago
must take some guts to post this on HN :)

kowdermeister 10y ago

Shouldn't proof would be as simple as somebody moving 1 bitcoin known to be linked to Satoshi? All else is myth, anecdote and manipulation. Show us the money :)

tantalor 10y ago
Nah, 1 bitcoin is excessive... only need to move 1 satoshi right? :)
- kowdermeister 10y ago
  Right, but the guy is a billionaire, he could show off a bit :)

deweller 10y ago

Wait. Are we sure Gavin wrote this? Has Gavin confirmed this anywhere else? Gavin doesn't mention it on his Twitter account. Does anyone have a primary source that corroborates this from Gavin?

raverbashing 10y ago
Somebody could do a NLP analysis on the last post and compare to the rest of his writings to see if there are major discrepancies
- pboutros 10y ago
  Or, we could just read it. #liberalfartseducation

juandazapata 10y ago

Show everybody how you move one of those old Bitcoins in the early blocks. Other than that, this is just a circus.

molsongolden 10y ago

> "Craig signed a message that I chose ("Gavin's favorite number is eleven. CSW" if I recall correctly) using the private key from block number 1. > That signature was copied on to a clean usb stick I brought with me to London, and then validated on a brand-new laptop with a freshly downloaded copy of electrum. > I was not allowed to keep the message or laptop (fear it would leak before Official Announcement). > I don't have an explanation for the funky OpenSSL procedure in his blog post." https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4hfyyo/gavin_can_you_please_detail_all_parts_of_the/d2plygg https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4hfyyo/gavin_can_you_p...