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what part did credit rating agencies like Moodys have to play in all this? They seem to have escaped from quite a lot of scrutiny in all of this...

smokinn 17y ago
It's pretty obvious the role they played. They're expected to be the arbiters of what the risk is. They were setting the risk value for things they had no clue about. It was simply incompetent negligence and no one should be trusting them anymore.
- OmniLarry 17y ago
  I think you're being too kind to them: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/congress-mauls-bosses-of-credit-ratings-agencies-969792.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/congress-mau...
- jsm386 17y ago
  It's a lot worse than 'setting the risk value of things they had no clue about.' It was, flat out, a conflict of interest: The AAA ratings given by the agencies proved to be wildly inaccurate and unreasonably high, according to the suit, which also said that the methods used by the rating agencies to assess these packages of securities were seriously flawed in conception and incompetently applied The ratings agencies no longer played a passive role but would help the arrangers structure their deals so that they could rate them as highly as possible, according to the Calpers suit. More @ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/calpers-rating-agencies-to-blame-for-huge-losses/ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/calpers-rating-agencies... (this is just but one example of Barry Ritholtz extensive coverage of this issue. McGraw Hill dropped his book b/c of his payola (acurrate) line about S&P's efforts at this in particular.
anamax 17y ago
> what part did credit rating agencies like Moodys have to play in all this? Don't forget the SEC. It gave a ratings monopoly to Moodys and two others (whose name escapes me). Yes - the SEC said that the ratings from Moodys and the other two are the only ones that count for regulatory purposes. What could go wrong.... Regulation is systemic risk.

smokinn 17y ago

It's pretty obvious the role they played. They're expected to be the arbiters of what the risk is. They were setting the risk value for things they had no clue about. It was simply incompetent negligence and no one should be trusting them anymore.

OmniLarry 17y ago
I think you're being too kind to them: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/congress-mauls-bosses-of-credit-ratings-agencies-969792.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/congress-mau...
jsm386 17y ago
It's a lot worse than 'setting the risk value of things they had no clue about.' It was, flat out, a conflict of interest: The AAA ratings given by the agencies proved to be wildly inaccurate and unreasonably high, according to the suit, which also said that the methods used by the rating agencies to assess these packages of securities were seriously flawed in conception and incompetently applied The ratings agencies no longer played a passive role but would help the arrangers structure their deals so that they could rate them as highly as possible, according to the Calpers suit. More @ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/calpers-rating-agencies-to-blame-for-huge-losses/ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/07/calpers-rating-agencies... (this is just but one example of Barry Ritholtz extensive coverage of this issue. McGraw Hill dropped his book b/c of his payola (acurrate) line about S&P's efforts at this in particular.

anamax 17y ago

> what part did credit rating agencies like Moodys have to play in all this? Don't forget the SEC. It gave a ratings monopoly to Moodys and two others (whose name escapes me). Yes - the SEC said that the ratings from Moodys and the other two are the only ones that count for regulatory purposes. What could go wrong.... Regulation is systemic risk.