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Well, tuition costs for even public universities have been rising a lot faster than inflation. Many universities these days are basically hedge funds with a sch

by nfd 10y ago

Well, tuition costs for even public universities have been rising a lot faster than inflation. Many universities these days are basically hedge funds with a school front. And a lot of universities get state funding. We're pushing a generation of kids without rich uncles to bail them out (myself being one of them; I start university in fall) towards massive, crippling debt. The places they're going aren't hurting for money. Is it that unreasonable to ask for open access?

argonaut 10y ago
State funding has been falling dramatically. The actual researchers are hurting for money. Grad students are paid a pittance, so rather understandably, most grad students want to graduate ASAP. Making your code nice and publishing it does not help you graduate early. It also does not help you get grants or funding. You could pressure universities / departments to make reproducibility a requirement for graduation, but I don't see why they would follow along, because this is not going to help the university get more funding or publish more papers (prestige). Now, if organizations and companies were willing to put money behind software reproducibility (maybe some sort of fellowships or million-dollar research grants to labs), then the incentives would be aligned.
- jcrites 10y ago
  I would like to make it a simple requirement of receiving any public funding. No one is asking for the code to be polished - I would actually rather it was not modified whatsoever from the state in which the research was conducted. The goal is reproducibility and integrity, so I want to see the actual code that was used, not some polished subsequent version. Every publication involving data and code or analysis should publish them to a degree that makes validation possible in at least as detailed a way as portrayed in "Does High Public Debt Consistently Stifle Economic Growth? A Critique of Reinhart and Rogoff" (http://www.peri.umass.edu/236/hash/31e2ff374b6377b2ddec04deaa6388b1/publication/566/ http://www.peri.umass.edu/236/hash/31e2ff374b6377b2ddec04dea...)
  - argonaut 10y ago
    Yeah, this could also work. But now Mozilla needs to convince the government...
einarvollset 10y ago
From my perspective, Mozzila shared raw data with researchers, and they were lucky enough to have some very smart people provide potentially extremely valuable interpretations of that data for free with them. It might be inconvenient for Mozzila to have to reproduce results by themselves, but let's keep things in perspective here: being "extremely angry" seems almost ludicrous.

by nfd 10y ago

argonaut 10y ago

State funding has been falling dramatically. The actual researchers are hurting for money. Grad students are paid a pittance, so rather understandably, most grad students want to graduate ASAP. Making your code nice and publishing it does not help you graduate early. It also does not help you get grants or funding. You could pressure universities / departments to make reproducibility a requirement for graduation, but I don't see why they would follow along, because this is not going to help the university get more funding or publish more papers (prestige). Now, if organizations and companies were willing to put money behind software reproducibility (maybe some sort of fellowships or million-dollar research grants to labs), then the incentives would be aligned.

jcrites 10y ago
I would like to make it a simple requirement of receiving any public funding. No one is asking for the code to be polished - I would actually rather it was not modified whatsoever from the state in which the research was conducted. The goal is reproducibility and integrity, so I want to see the actual code that was used, not some polished subsequent version. Every publication involving data and code or analysis should publish them to a degree that makes validation possible in at least as detailed a way as portrayed in "Does High Public Debt Consistently Stifle Economic Growth? A Critique of Reinhart and Rogoff" (http://www.peri.umass.edu/236/hash/31e2ff374b6377b2ddec04deaa6388b1/publication/566/ http://www.peri.umass.edu/236/hash/31e2ff374b6377b2ddec04dea...)
- argonaut 10y ago
  Yeah, this could also work. But now Mozilla needs to convince the government...

einarvollset 10y ago

From my perspective, Mozzila shared raw data with researchers, and they were lucky enough to have some very smart people provide potentially extremely valuable interpretations of that data for free with them. It might be inconvenient for Mozzila to have to reproduce results by themselves, but let's keep things in perspective here: being "extremely angry" seems almost ludicrous.