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OVH: PaaS DB PostgreSQL

74 points by paukiatwee 10y ago

tango12 10y ago
Any ideas on how this is different from compose.io's offering: https://compose.io/postgresql/ https://compose.io/postgresql/? Hourly billing?
- Gigablah 10y ago
  It's 15 times cheaper ($23 vs $353 monthly for 4GB RAM). Assuming the pricing on that page doesn't change too much.
  - markvdb 10y ago
    Cheaper, but does it also provide value? For non-critical things, OVH provide relatively good value for money. For critical things, I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. OVH is a dysfunctional company that somehow turns a profit. We almost lost our company's domain name twice due to their incompetence. We paid OVH for the renewal of our company's domain name several weeks before its expiration. This domain hosted our google apps for business and more. We received an invoice and bank statements for that. OVH never renewed with the registry. We only got to know about this because of a standard email warning from the country's registry (not OVH as a registrar) itself about quarantaine and expiry! We spent over eight hours over several days talking to OVH. I have been able to verify that the problem was on the side of OVH only, and not on the registry's side at all. In the end, we made a direct payment to the registry to make sure the domain was not deleted.
    - Veratyr 10y ago
      To offer an anecdote to counter an anecdote, I'm using OVH proper as well as SoYouStart, one of their "developer" brands and I've had zero issues with either.
    - iMerNibor 10y ago
      I've been using ovh (proper OVH brand) for years and the only issues I've had recently was a service without an SLA which I foolishly used without a failover in a different dc (load balancing ips had an outage for ~5h recently) Other than that they've been top notch, support is slow, but the non-human things are working as advertised
    - elnappo 10y ago
      My VPS at OVH lost IPv6 connectivity four days ago... No one seems to care...
- paukiatwee 10y ago
  I believe OVH offering will be cheaper, and hourly billing but only available in Europe. While compose.io's offering have more locations (US, Europe, Asia, etc). It is good to see more and more PostgreSQL as Service offering.
  - markvdb 10y ago
    OVH have data centres and dedicated support staff in .ca too.
- merb 10y ago
  Actually compose.io is HA (Highly Available) while the runabove isn't, so thats just not a good comparsion. It would roughly compare to AWS RDS (just that you can't) kill the instance after a half month and only pay half the month. Then AWS would've been on 15 USD ~ 13 Euro with 1 GB Memory and 16 GB Disk, compared to: paasdb-1g that's a lot more, but RDS is really solid even on a Single Node, so it's hard to say if you get the same quality for just 6 Euro. It could be true, but it doesn't need to be true.
  - sethd 10y ago
    Actually AWS RDS offers High Availability[1] at a higher price from their single AZ deployments. I've been using it for quite awhile with no issues so far. Compose looks much more expensive than RDS with multi-AZ. [1] http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/Concepts.MultiAZ.html http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/Concep...
    - merb 10y ago
      we are using that as well however this post was about single nodes so compose doesn't offer a single node and I wanted to point it out that there is AWS RDS which offers a single node.
- manigandham 10y ago
  Compose.io does hourly billing and has multiple locations on multiple cloud providers with HA built-in. It's a very clean and well done system but gets expensive quickly.
- _Codemonkeyism 10y ago
  For some it might be important, that - I assume - OVH is in the EU and compose.io is in the US. Some of my clients care at least.
  - karambahh 10y ago
    As some said, OVH has datacenters in Quebec, Canada. They plan to open several new ones in the coming months in the US (I think California has been officially annouced) and others countries are planned. They raised several hundreds millons of syndicated loans in 2014/2015, to build additional capacity in North America and Europe. Rumors[1] of potential asian & australian locations also abound, but no clear sign of it yet. [1]http://www.nextinpact.com/news/98651-ovh-mise-sur-personnalisation-avec-myovh-et-nouveaux-datacenters.htm http://www.nextinpact.com/news/98651-ovh-mise-sur-personnali...
    - _Codemonkeyism 10y ago
      I'm mainly interested in EU SaaS (because being in the EU). For EU companies - the verdict is still out - EU locations of US companies might not be enough. One reason why Microsoft lets Azure in Germany be run by Dt. Telekom.
      - karambahh 10y ago
        Many of our customers start including request to the effect of "hosting in the EU, preferably operated by a EU based company". AFAIK, one of the reasons OVH had for not setting shop in the US a few years back, but choosing Canada instead was to not expose its flank to possible actions by US agencies. They even feared "contamination" to their EU based datacenters. I guess either the law has changed or their lawyers found their way through the arcanes of international law, since they are now officialy planning to open a datacenter in the US.
    - shimon_e 10y ago
      I got an email survey from OVH for an Asia / Australian DC a few weeks ago.
- hackerboos 10y ago
  https://www.databaselabs.io/ https://www.databaselabs.io/ are also a good alternative - especially if you host your site on Digital Ocean.
docsapp_io 10y ago
OVH also release PaaS DB MySQL https://www.runabove.com/PaaSDBMySQL.xml https://www.runabove.com/PaaSDBMySQL.xml
red0point 10y ago
Please note that all RunAbove stuff is Beta and will be discontinued at some point in the future and either integrated in OVH.com or completely dropped. Had a service running on RunAbove Cloud, and suddendly they pulled the plug with 1 month notice - and nowhere on their page was something that hinted on that.
- shimon_e 10y ago
  RunAbove is OVH's incubator. It is very clear ideas are either moved to OVH or discontinued on their about page: https://www.runabove.com/about/about-us.xml https://www.runabove.com/about/about-us.xml Which is linked from the homepage from the "learn more" button and numerous more times through out their site. tdlr: Use RunAbove to test things. Not to deploy a live website.
  - IanCal 10y ago
    It either wasn't in the past or was significantly less clear in the past. I recall using runabove and within runabove there were beta trials but it seemed like a generally available service for the other parts. I was quite surprised coming back to it that I couldn't spin up a box there like I had done very shortly beforehand. I received no email about the change. Here's a quote from their about page previously: > RunAbove aims to provide a cloud infrastructure powerful and transparent, for developers all over the world so they can focus on their work by relying on unshakable resources. Unshakable resources indeed. It switched over about September/October last year. Here's their old page: http://web.archive.org/web/20150913235342/https://www.runabove.com/index.xml http://web.archive.org/web/20150913235342/https://www.runabo...
eMerzh 10y ago
Interesting .... and the prices seems to be low, but they run postgresql 9.4 which is a little outdated. and there is no details about what you'll be able to do / not do (like installing extensions, or other similar things)
- _Codemonkeyism 10y ago
  Thought so too, being cautious though "*Prices might change after beta"
  - IanCal 10y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised at costs like that though. They offer 2G ram VPS for less than the 512M PG instances here. Obviously it makes sense to be cautious but they don't seem like insane prices.
    - shimon_e 10y ago
      The VPS isn't fault tolerant or managed. I am assuming this is? I actually asked them on IRC if they could launch MySQL, PSQL aaS less than a month ago. Turn around from the RunAbove team has been super fast.
_Codemonkeyism 10y ago
This is very wellcome, any experience?
- s_kilk 10y ago
  As others have noted elsewhere in this thread, all RunAbove products are 'in beta', and they have a tendency to terminate these services with very little notice given. I wouldn't rely on them for anything that needs to stay up.
ahachete 10y ago
While I love seeing more PostgreSQL offerings in the cloud, I don't understand why they call it PaaS. It's a DbaaS, but a PaaS... a PaaS is really an application API that is managed by the cloud provider, and takes care of stuff like scaling it. Like Google App Engine. But calling a database a PaaS is a little bit bending the term, IMHO.
- derefr 10y ago
  > [an application API that is] managed by the cloud provider, and takes care of stuff like scaling it A system like DynamoDB, that exposes no concept of database cluster size, would be a PaaS, then? Still sounds off, to me. "PaaS" just isn't a word that applies to a service that doesn't execute your code. Something that's almost entirely a database on the backend could still be a PaaS if it runs your code, though—like Parse.
kilburn 10y ago
I've been an OVH customer for a long time (years), and would never bet my company on such an offer. OVH excels at offering lots of resources for a cheap price, but they are awful at support. Think of any horror story and I've either seen it happen firsthand or have heard about it at their forums. Examples: - One-month back-and-forth with support about a clearly missbehaving hard drive (2MBps sequential transfer speed) - A whole week of lost "virtual rack" (private lan) connectivity. - Failover IPs (ip's that you can move from server to server, touted by OVH as a failover solution) stuck in netherland (routing to /dev/null because of some issue) for some days - Extremely slow High-Availabily NAS speeds for a cuple of days. Afer those days I migrated off that service and never looked back. At this point, I only hire dedicated servers from OVH. Furthermore, my strategy to deal with any issue is simply to rent a new server, test it thoroughly (important! OVH should do it, but they really don't), migrate everything, and don't renew the old one. In my own experience, this leads to far less downtime and headaches than trying to deal with OVH's support.
- znpy 10y ago
  Many friends of mine have been or are OVH customers due to their low price and all of them say the support is just awful. In my own experience, when I was consulting a company with a physical server on OVH and opened a ticket... Well, you know when you open a ticket, you don't know when they will be answering. Also, they have an awful ipv6 setup: https://otacon22.com/2016/02/21/two-hosting-providers-ipv6-setups-compared-ovh-online-net/ https://otacon22.com/2016/02/21/two-hosting-providers-ipv6-s...
  - no1youknowz 10y ago
    Their support is awful and their customer service is down right disgraceful. I used to be a customer for almost 18 months. We got DDos'd twice. On both accounts, they didn't and said they couldnt do anything. The only response was to turn of the server. Not only that, I tried to work with them on setting up a much bigger distributed environment. I gave them the exact specification of how to setup the network and clustering of the servers. They got it wrong, on multiple times. The Sales Manager who I was working with said on many occasions that I would NOT be billed until the specification was setup correctly and running. Guess what, we were billed. The setup was never fully completed. I wasn't allowed to talk to the 4th line (network) engineers who were setting up the infrastructure. In the end, I complained to the top level management with the timeline of events. I saved every email and when read through a chronological timeline. It was clear the sales person was inept and technical didn't do what was required. I never heard anything back. What was worse, is that we got a partial refund. We lost $2k in total. I told my partner to go back to the bank and demand a charge back. But he had no spine and said we'd eat it. Never again will I go with OVH and I tell everyone I come across not to bother. Sure they prices are cheap in the beginning, but their support is non-existent and their engineers awful.
tachion 10y ago
Friends dont let friends use OVH, I cant reiterate this enough. They've long and sometimes dramatic history of broken services, undelivered paid services (like months long queues for paid upfront servers not being delivered), lack of communication with customers, truly horrible support all of which I had the back luck to experience myself, so do yourself a favor and just avoid them at any cost.

74 points by paukiatwee 10y ago

Any ideas on how this is different from compose.io's offering: https://compose.io/postgresql/ https://compose.io/postgresql/? Hourly billing?

Gigablah 10y ago
It's 15 times cheaper ($23 vs $353 monthly for 4GB RAM). Assuming the pricing on that page doesn't change too much.
- markvdb 10y ago
  Cheaper, but does it also provide value? For non-critical things, OVH provide relatively good value for money. For critical things, I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. OVH is a dysfunctional company that somehow turns a profit. We almost lost our company's domain name twice due to their incompetence. We paid OVH for the renewal of our company's domain name several weeks before its expiration. This domain hosted our google apps for business and more. We received an invoice and bank statements for that. OVH never renewed with the registry. We only got to know about this because of a standard email warning from the country's registry (not OVH as a registrar) itself about quarantaine and expiry! We spent over eight hours over several days talking to OVH. I have been able to verify that the problem was on the side of OVH only, and not on the registry's side at all. In the end, we made a direct payment to the registry to make sure the domain was not deleted.
  - Veratyr 10y ago
    To offer an anecdote to counter an anecdote, I'm using OVH proper as well as SoYouStart, one of their "developer" brands and I've had zero issues with either.
  - iMerNibor 10y ago
    I've been using ovh (proper OVH brand) for years and the only issues I've had recently was a service without an SLA which I foolishly used without a failover in a different dc (load balancing ips had an outage for ~5h recently) Other than that they've been top notch, support is slow, but the non-human things are working as advertised
  - elnappo 10y ago
    My VPS at OVH lost IPv6 connectivity four days ago... No one seems to care...
paukiatwee 10y ago
I believe OVH offering will be cheaper, and hourly billing but only available in Europe. While compose.io's offering have more locations (US, Europe, Asia, etc). It is good to see more and more PostgreSQL as Service offering.
- markvdb 10y ago
  OVH have data centres and dedicated support staff in .ca too.
merb 10y ago
Actually compose.io is HA (Highly Available) while the runabove isn't, so thats just not a good comparsion. It would roughly compare to AWS RDS (just that you can't) kill the instance after a half month and only pay half the month. Then AWS would've been on 15 USD ~ 13 Euro with 1 GB Memory and 16 GB Disk, compared to: paasdb-1g that's a lot more, but RDS is really solid even on a Single Node, so it's hard to say if you get the same quality for just 6 Euro. It could be true, but it doesn't need to be true.
- sethd 10y ago
  Actually AWS RDS offers High Availability[1] at a higher price from their single AZ deployments. I've been using it for quite awhile with no issues so far. Compose looks much more expensive than RDS with multi-AZ. [1] http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/Concepts.MultiAZ.html http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/UserGuide/Concep...
  - merb 10y ago
    we are using that as well however this post was about single nodes so compose doesn't offer a single node and I wanted to point it out that there is AWS RDS which offers a single node.
manigandham 10y ago
Compose.io does hourly billing and has multiple locations on multiple cloud providers with HA built-in. It's a very clean and well done system but gets expensive quickly.
_Codemonkeyism 10y ago
For some it might be important, that - I assume - OVH is in the EU and compose.io is in the US. Some of my clients care at least.
- karambahh 10y ago
  As some said, OVH has datacenters in Quebec, Canada. They plan to open several new ones in the coming months in the US (I think California has been officially annouced) and others countries are planned. They raised several hundreds millons of syndicated loans in 2014/2015, to build additional capacity in North America and Europe. Rumors[1] of potential asian & australian locations also abound, but no clear sign of it yet. [1]http://www.nextinpact.com/news/98651-ovh-mise-sur-personnalisation-avec-myovh-et-nouveaux-datacenters.htm http://www.nextinpact.com/news/98651-ovh-mise-sur-personnali...
  - _Codemonkeyism 10y ago
    I'm mainly interested in EU SaaS (because being in the EU). For EU companies - the verdict is still out - EU locations of US companies might not be enough. One reason why Microsoft lets Azure in Germany be run by Dt. Telekom.
    - karambahh 10y ago
      Many of our customers start including request to the effect of "hosting in the EU, preferably operated by a EU based company". AFAIK, one of the reasons OVH had for not setting shop in the US a few years back, but choosing Canada instead was to not expose its flank to possible actions by US agencies. They even feared "contamination" to their EU based datacenters. I guess either the law has changed or their lawyers found their way through the arcanes of international law, since they are now officialy planning to open a datacenter in the US.
  - shimon_e 10y ago
    I got an email survey from OVH for an Asia / Australian DC a few weeks ago.
hackerboos 10y ago
https://www.databaselabs.io/ https://www.databaselabs.io/ are also a good alternative - especially if you host your site on Digital Ocean.

docsapp_io 10y ago

OVH also release PaaS DB MySQL https://www.runabove.com/PaaSDBMySQL.xml https://www.runabove.com/PaaSDBMySQL.xml

red0point 10y ago

Please note that all RunAbove stuff is Beta and will be discontinued at some point in the future and either integrated in OVH.com or completely dropped. Had a service running on RunAbove Cloud, and suddendly they pulled the plug with 1 month notice - and nowhere on their page was something that hinted on that.

shimon_e 10y ago
RunAbove is OVH's incubator. It is very clear ideas are either moved to OVH or discontinued on their about page: https://www.runabove.com/about/about-us.xml https://www.runabove.com/about/about-us.xml Which is linked from the homepage from the "learn more" button and numerous more times through out their site. tdlr: Use RunAbove to test things. Not to deploy a live website.
- IanCal 10y ago
  It either wasn't in the past or was significantly less clear in the past. I recall using runabove and within runabove there were beta trials but it seemed like a generally available service for the other parts. I was quite surprised coming back to it that I couldn't spin up a box there like I had done very shortly beforehand. I received no email about the change. Here's a quote from their about page previously: > RunAbove aims to provide a cloud infrastructure powerful and transparent, for developers all over the world so they can focus on their work by relying on unshakable resources. Unshakable resources indeed. It switched over about September/October last year. Here's their old page: http://web.archive.org/web/20150913235342/https://www.runabove.com/index.xml http://web.archive.org/web/20150913235342/https://www.runabo...

eMerzh 10y ago

Interesting .... and the prices seems to be low, but they run postgresql 9.4 which is a little outdated. and there is no details about what you'll be able to do / not do (like installing extensions, or other similar things)

_Codemonkeyism 10y ago
Thought so too, being cautious though "*Prices might change after beta"
- IanCal 10y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised at costs like that though. They offer 2G ram VPS for less than the 512M PG instances here. Obviously it makes sense to be cautious but they don't seem like insane prices.
  - shimon_e 10y ago
    The VPS isn't fault tolerant or managed. I am assuming this is? I actually asked them on IRC if they could launch MySQL, PSQL aaS less than a month ago. Turn around from the RunAbove team has been super fast.

_Codemonkeyism 10y ago

This is very wellcome, any experience?

s_kilk 10y ago
As others have noted elsewhere in this thread, all RunAbove products are 'in beta', and they have a tendency to terminate these services with very little notice given. I wouldn't rely on them for anything that needs to stay up.

ahachete 10y ago

While I love seeing more PostgreSQL offerings in the cloud, I don't understand why they call it PaaS. It's a DbaaS, but a PaaS... a PaaS is really an application API that is managed by the cloud provider, and takes care of stuff like scaling it. Like Google App Engine. But calling a database a PaaS is a little bit bending the term, IMHO.

derefr 10y ago
> [an application API that is] managed by the cloud provider, and takes care of stuff like scaling it A system like DynamoDB, that exposes no concept of database cluster size, would be a PaaS, then? Still sounds off, to me. "PaaS" just isn't a word that applies to a service that doesn't execute your code. Something that's almost entirely a database on the backend could still be a PaaS if it runs your code, though—like Parse.

kilburn 10y ago

I've been an OVH customer for a long time (years), and would never bet my company on such an offer. OVH excels at offering lots of resources for a cheap price, but they are awful at support. Think of any horror story and I've either seen it happen firsthand or have heard about it at their forums. Examples: - One-month back-and-forth with support about a clearly missbehaving hard drive (2MBps sequential transfer speed) - A whole week of lost "virtual rack" (private lan) connectivity. - Failover IPs (ip's that you can move from server to server, touted by OVH as a failover solution) stuck in netherland (routing to /dev/null because of some issue) for some days - Extremely slow High-Availabily NAS speeds for a cuple of days. Afer those days I migrated off that service and never looked back. At this point, I only hire dedicated servers from OVH. Furthermore, my strategy to deal with any issue is simply to rent a new server, test it thoroughly (important! OVH should do it, but they really don't), migrate everything, and don't renew the old one. In my own experience, this leads to far less downtime and headaches than trying to deal with OVH's support.

znpy 10y ago
Many friends of mine have been or are OVH customers due to their low price and all of them say the support is just awful. In my own experience, when I was consulting a company with a physical server on OVH and opened a ticket... Well, you know when you open a ticket, you don't know when they will be answering. Also, they have an awful ipv6 setup: https://otacon22.com/2016/02/21/two-hosting-providers-ipv6-setups-compared-ovh-online-net/ https://otacon22.com/2016/02/21/two-hosting-providers-ipv6-s...
- no1youknowz 10y ago
  Their support is awful and their customer service is down right disgraceful. I used to be a customer for almost 18 months. We got DDos'd twice. On both accounts, they didn't and said they couldnt do anything. The only response was to turn of the server. Not only that, I tried to work with them on setting up a much bigger distributed environment. I gave them the exact specification of how to setup the network and clustering of the servers. They got it wrong, on multiple times. The Sales Manager who I was working with said on many occasions that I would NOT be billed until the specification was setup correctly and running. Guess what, we were billed. The setup was never fully completed. I wasn't allowed to talk to the 4th line (network) engineers who were setting up the infrastructure. In the end, I complained to the top level management with the timeline of events. I saved every email and when read through a chronological timeline. It was clear the sales person was inept and technical didn't do what was required. I never heard anything back. What was worse, is that we got a partial refund. We lost $2k in total. I told my partner to go back to the bank and demand a charge back. But he had no spine and said we'd eat it. Never again will I go with OVH and I tell everyone I come across not to bother. Sure they prices are cheap in the beginning, but their support is non-existent and their engineers awful.

tachion 10y ago

Friends dont let friends use OVH, I cant reiterate this enough. They've long and sometimes dramatic history of broken services, undelivered paid services (like months long queues for paid upfront servers not being delivered), lack of communication with customers, truly horrible support all of which I had the back luck to experience myself, so do yourself a favor and just avoid them at any cost.