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The Fallout – The medical aftermath of Hiroshima
- crazytony 11y agoIf you ever get the chance, visit the memorial and museum in Hiroshima.
- Johnny555 11y agoOr Nagasaki.
- yread 11y agoI have been to both and I actually liked the one in Nagasaki much better, it puts it in a proper perspective - Nagasaki was a military harbor. Hiroshima museum is more emotional "look at all the suffering". Plus Nagasaki is a much nicer town in a valley, with the Portuguese colonial houses and much less tourists
- pavlov 11y agoThe Nagasaki History Museum is also very well done, and particularly interesting from a Westerner's point of view. For centuries it was the only city where Europeans were allowed to trade with Japan.
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- aaron695 11y agoWhy would anyone visiting Japan not go there? I have not met anyone who went that didn't? If anything I'd say it's a cliché. There are a lot of bad things that have happened in the world that are ignored by euro centric thinking. This is not one of them.
- jpatokal 11y agoBecause it's a good 800 km from Tokyo, and 4 hours one-way even by bullet train. And because, A-bomb sites and Miyajima aside, there's not all that much of interest in the city of nearby. On the other side of the coin, I also find it a bit odd to describe Hiroshima as a cliché. Quite the opposite, it's near-unique: Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the only cities ever attacked with nuclear bombs, and you can't get the experience of visiting them anywhere else.
- reustle 11y agoYeah 4 hours by bullet train, and $185 each way. Plenty of people haven't been there.
- dietrichepp 11y agoTourists would at most spend $267 for the seven-day JR pass.
- duhast 11y agoJust as a reminder for people interested in buying JR pass: 1) not all trains all included (fastest Shinkansen Nozomi is not for example) 2) can't be bought in Japan 3) valid for 7/14/21 days from the first use More info here: http://www.japanrailpass.net/en/about_jrp.html http://www.japanrailpass.net/en/about_jrp.html
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- avar 11y agoI went to Japan for 2 weeks and didn't go. I went for the food, the onsen, the city life, nature etc. I wasn't interested enough in their role in WWII to make the trip all the way down to the southern tip. I think if I had 4 more weeks in Japan I probably still wouldn't go. I'm much more interested in say exploring Hokkaido & The Japanese Alps than going to war museums.
- pjg 11y agoI agree. I had read and occasionally seen a documentary on the A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima. I lived in Tokyo for a while and visited Hiroshima and the A-bomb museum. They had a "scaled" model of the entire city and the bomb hanging on the model with the proportional distance at the height it exploded (represented with red ball - size of billiards ball ) That picture/model is ingrained in my memory - it gave me an instant visual of the scale of horror. Pictures/movies don't come close to describing it. If you can go to the A-bomb museum in Hiroshima - do it.
- mstade 11y agoI have not visited Hiroshima, or Japan at all for that matter, but I just recently came back from visiting the beaches of Normandy, the American cemetery, Arromanches, and other war memorials around there. While obviously not the same thing, I recognize what you say about the scale of horror – it really is unfathomable from pictures, movies, and other representations. You simply have to visit to get a feel for just how big some of these key events of the war actually were, and it's absolutely mind boggling and horrific. What really got me about visiting Normandy though was how real it all suddenly became. I'd like to think I'm a fairly well educated person when it comes to modern history, and particularly in terms of WW2. But since I grew up in a country that wasn't really pulled into it, everything just seemed so distant (even though it physically wasn't, I'm from Sweden) and in many ways unreal. That all changed with Normandy, and it was a very strange and mixed set of quite strong emotions involved. I can only imagine what it's like to visit Hiroshima, and hope I some day get the chance to do so.
- ptaipale 11y agoI could recommend another, shorter trip, if you can spare a few days: get a Russian visa and drive to Haparanda - Kuhmo - Kostamuksha - Belomorsk. Nowadays, it's a one-day drive. Look at Stalin's Canal there, and imagine that when it was built, the wasted humans were many enough to lay along the canal, buried there head to toe, to form a chain as long as the man-built parts of the canal itself. The canal was never economically or militarily useful, it was just a project used to get rid of people. Not quite as many people killed as in Hiroshima, but they were each one separately and individually starved, beaten or shot to death instead of being killed remotely by one big industrial bomb. The killing machinery was human and it worked slow and it worked eye to eye. From Belomorsk you can take a boat trip to Solovetsk, which was the original development lab for how to starve people in concentration camps. Both Soviets and Nazis studied and developed their methods based on the findings there. Notice also that you won't see memorials for those who were killed. The miserable swamps are their monument.
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- mynameishere 11y agoWhen reading on the web, I usually hit ctrl-A (highlight all) to change the contrast of a website's text. Not usually a problem. On this website, on Chrome, doing this causes it to immediately unhighlight everything, and then eternally highlight-unhighlight-highlight-unhighlight at random intervals. I've never seen quite such bizarre behavior. Works on FF though.
- maho 11y agoI'm not sure why you are getting downvoted. I can reproduce this behaviour in Chrome. I don't have the best eyes and occasionally use the same trick to increase legibility. The myriad subtle ways in which designers of "rich websites" break accessibility can be quite frustrating. And most of it is completely unnecessary - the article would still be an amzing read if it were a classic article with standard scroll behavior.
- tptacek 11y agoComments about website formatting are a pestilence, and off-topic for HN. Because the topic of web design is both subjective and very accessible, even to people who have barely skimmed the article, they tend to spawn large, distracting subthreads --- sometimes those subthreads even end up at the tops of threads. Petitioning site owners to change their design via HN threads almost never works, but (ironically) is virtually guaranteed to degrade the HN thread itself. So, just don't.
- hutzlibu 11y agoOn chrome there is a extension called darkreader ... You might want to try that, instead of strg a Looks better (on most sites)
- throwaway_exer 11y agoBefore the peaceniks start adding anti-bomb comments, note that Hiroshima had torpedo factories, as admitted by the residents there. They were an authentic military target.
- openasocket 11y agoThey also had over 350,000 civilians, and over 80% of the casualties of the bombing were civilians. You're more than welcome to argue that the bombing was justified, but please don't act like the issue isn't open to debate.
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- kgarten 11y agoread the opposition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Opposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombing... yes, the torpedo factories are a valid target. How large were those, how many square meters of the final destruction was a military target? A city with families and children is not a valid target. If Truman gave a warning to the civilians beforehand most of them could have been saved and they could have still destroyed the factories ... According to the geneva conventions it is a war crime (not arguing about how reasonable the conventions are etc.).
- thrownaway2424 11y agoDidn't the Air Force drop millions of leaflets on these cities (and others) urging their evacuation? Didn't Truman warn of Japan's "prompt and utter destruction" less than two weeks before the bomb? I mean, maybe the Japanese though that Truman was blowing smoke, but "utter destruction" is pretty unambiguous. By the way if you want a semi-scholarly but not entirely dry treatment of the moral problem of Truman's bombs I can recommend the book "Prompt and Utter Destruction".
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- Symmetry 11y agoAs nuclear weapons get larger the radius at which the fire and concussion is deadly grows faster than the radius at which their radiation is deadly. For relatively small bombs a lot of the deaths from the initial explosion are going to be from radiation and the two bombs dropped on Japan were small compared to the ones standing by in the cold war. Of course, unlike the bombs dropped on Japan modern thermonuclear weapons burn large amount of U328 with the fast neutrons created from fusion, resulting in large amounts of fallout. They may not cause many radiation deaths from their explosion but the fallout they create will endanger people downwind for a long time after the initial explosion. I don't have words to convey how much I hope we never see those weapons used in anger.
- hga 11y agoOf course, unlike the bombs dropped on Japan modern thermonuclear weapons burn large amount of U328 with the fast neutrons created from fusion, resulting in large amounts of fallout. They may not cause many radiation deaths from their explosion but the fallout they create will endanger people downwind for a long time after the initial explosion. That depends, some use U-238 for this purpose to about double the yield, some don't, like the 50 Mt Tsar Bomba in its one test: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba I don't have words to convey how much I hope we never see those weapons used in anger. Nothing that I know about human nature suggests that they'll again never be used in anger, it's only a question of when. Hopefully not any time soon.
- Symmetry 11y agoThe replaced the U-238 in the Tsar Bomba test with lead when they tested it at the cost of halving its power, you're right. But sadly I've never heard of that being done with a deployed thermonuclear weapon.