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Internet Explorer: Global Variables, and Stack Overflows

58 points by boucher 17y ago

jf 17y ago
You don't need to be my neighbor to get help from Microsoft on issues like this. If you're a startup and you're having technical issues with Microsoft software, please reach out to me. I'm here to help :D
- zaatar 17y ago
  I agree, and it's not just Joel; there's tons of Microsofties that I know (me included) that are pretty active on news.yc, even if only lurking without real accounts/profiles, but on read-only mode.
- tomjen2 17y ago
  You might want to make that a bit more public - I would assume Microsoft wouldn't care about a company unless it made millions a year.
aristus 17y ago
Ugh! I hit a similar problem in Chrome beta, where I could only recurse 20 levels deep when calling functions across frames ( eg top.window.foo() ) before it blew up.
volomike 17y ago
Why is this trending? Bugs in IE. Film at 11. Old news.
- boucher 17y ago
  Apparently, enough people are interested in this particular bug to vote it up. It was news to me at least. Hopefully next time I'll find my own article in Google and remember, since it wasn't a very Google friendly problem before.
  - volomike 17y ago
    Okay. I apologize for my outburst. I'm just a pretty disgruntled IE user (but only for testing sites) and wish Microsoft would just switch the whole thing over to webkit and be done with it.
    - zaatar 17y ago
      Hopefully, IE9 won't disappoint - trust me, we're working really hard on it :) If you wish to share with me what problems exactly you're facing with IE, and I'm happy to hear you out. My profile page has my contact info.
      - volomike 17y ago
        Because of the work I do in web development, I am an Ubuntu Linux user. I only use IE for testing sites so that I see what they look like in that browser. IE8 was a big step forward, but compatibility mode really put a kink in things such that on everything I'm having to add this tag: <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=7" /> Even on new projects. Also, the delay on supporting CSS3 stuff like border-radius and text and box shadow has been disappointing. As of the release of Opera 10.50 today, even Opera has finally caught up to support the most popular CSS3 stuff. Now only IE8 drags its feet. I wish Microsoft would release point releases sooner, rather than hold up and release major releases. This makes it easier to accommodate the subtle changes in the browser as things go. One of the great things about the open source browsers is that the bug teams on those browsers listen for the most part, and get bug and security fixes out there sooner, while Microsoft simply drags their feet. I don't like the way the buttons are arranged in the IE browser. With Firefox I can move things around to how I like things and can even change the look of those buttons. I really, really like Firebug and use it in my work. IE needs something like that. Especially the ability to move my mouse around, click something, and immediately know what it's called, see the CSS, and can even try changes on the CSS. This was how I was able to retheme ProjectPier (ProjectPier.org) with a custom theme, while it is not easy to do in IE. Often in web development, I need to clear web history, caching, cookies, etc. Ever try and do that on IE8? You wait forever over something that should be performed instantly like other browsers. The Advanced tab is goofy. It has a window I cannot stretch and so I have to use the horizontal scroller. It has so many items in there, and everyone usually needs to get into that if they're a developer, that you can't help but wonder why it wasn't implemented in a series of tabs. Many of the other IE8 problems are discussed here: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE8 http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE8 And specifically: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html Last, I don't think Microsoft is pushing hard enough to get people off of IE6. I keep bumping into clients who still run it and I bruise my head on the table.
jeff18 17y ago
As an aside, I submitted this post a little bit earlier and did not get a single upvote on mine. I think that is kind of an interesting case study on the snowball effect, where in two parallel worlds the exact same article / title could get 1 vote or 50+ votes depending on subtle variables, such as the time of submission or if one other person notices it at the right time.
- boucher 17y ago
  It's weird that it didn't catch that it was the same post, like it usually does. I didn't see yours when I looked either. Sorry.
  - tlrobinson 17y ago
    Looks like yours didn't have a trailing slash.

58 points by boucher 17y ago

jf 17y ago

You don't need to be my neighbor to get help from Microsoft on issues like this. If you're a startup and you're having technical issues with Microsoft software, please reach out to me. I'm here to help :D

zaatar 17y ago
I agree, and it's not just Joel; there's tons of Microsofties that I know (me included) that are pretty active on news.yc, even if only lurking without real accounts/profiles, but on read-only mode.
tomjen2 17y ago
You might want to make that a bit more public - I would assume Microsoft wouldn't care about a company unless it made millions a year.

aristus 17y ago

Ugh! I hit a similar problem in Chrome beta, where I could only recurse 20 levels deep when calling functions across frames ( eg top.window.foo() ) before it blew up.

volomike 17y ago

Why is this trending? Bugs in IE. Film at 11. Old news.

boucher 17y ago
Apparently, enough people are interested in this particular bug to vote it up. It was news to me at least. Hopefully next time I'll find my own article in Google and remember, since it wasn't a very Google friendly problem before.
- volomike 17y ago
  Okay. I apologize for my outburst. I'm just a pretty disgruntled IE user (but only for testing sites) and wish Microsoft would just switch the whole thing over to webkit and be done with it.
  - zaatar 17y ago
    Hopefully, IE9 won't disappoint - trust me, we're working really hard on it :) If you wish to share with me what problems exactly you're facing with IE, and I'm happy to hear you out. My profile page has my contact info.
    - volomike 17y ago
      Because of the work I do in web development, I am an Ubuntu Linux user. I only use IE for testing sites so that I see what they look like in that browser. IE8 was a big step forward, but compatibility mode really put a kink in things such that on everything I'm having to add this tag: <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=7" /> Even on new projects. Also, the delay on supporting CSS3 stuff like border-radius and text and box shadow has been disappointing. As of the release of Opera 10.50 today, even Opera has finally caught up to support the most popular CSS3 stuff. Now only IE8 drags its feet. I wish Microsoft would release point releases sooner, rather than hold up and release major releases. This makes it easier to accommodate the subtle changes in the browser as things go. One of the great things about the open source browsers is that the bug teams on those browsers listen for the most part, and get bug and security fixes out there sooner, while Microsoft simply drags their feet. I don't like the way the buttons are arranged in the IE browser. With Firefox I can move things around to how I like things and can even change the look of those buttons. I really, really like Firebug and use it in my work. IE needs something like that. Especially the ability to move my mouse around, click something, and immediately know what it's called, see the CSS, and can even try changes on the CSS. This was how I was able to retheme ProjectPier (ProjectPier.org) with a custom theme, while it is not easy to do in IE. Often in web development, I need to clear web history, caching, cookies, etc. Ever try and do that on IE8? You wait forever over something that should be performed instantly like other browsers. The Advanced tab is goofy. It has a window I cannot stretch and so I have to use the horizontal scroller. It has so many items in there, and everyone usually needs to get into that if they're a developer, that you can't help but wonder why it wasn't implemented in a series of tabs. Many of the other IE8 problems are discussed here: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE8 http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE8 And specifically: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html Last, I don't think Microsoft is pushing hard enough to get people off of IE6. I keep bumping into clients who still run it and I bruise my head on the table.

jeff18 17y ago

As an aside, I submitted this post a little bit earlier and did not get a single upvote on mine. I think that is kind of an interesting case study on the snowball effect, where in two parallel worlds the exact same article / title could get 1 vote or 50+ votes depending on subtle variables, such as the time of submission or if one other person notices it at the right time.

boucher 17y ago
It's weird that it didn't catch that it was the same post, like it usually does. I didn't see yours when I looked either. Sorry.
- tlrobinson 17y ago
  Looks like yours didn't have a trailing slash.