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Clever UI concept. I'd like to have it as a chrome/ff extension, because I don't want to change my browser. Looks nice, though.

by pfraze 11y ago

gkya 11y ago
Firefox already has the tabgroups feature.
- kragniz 11y ago
  Hasn't tab groups been removed in the most recent release of firefox?
  - gkya 11y ago
    Oh God, why? Well, I use xombrero nowadays so I'd have missed it if such thing happened. It was there five-or-so months ago when I switched. So they put in Hello, Pocket, and whatnot, and remove sth. as relevant and useful as tabgroups? Silly. Didn't know that, sorry.
    - JBReefer 11y ago
      I miss the old Mozilla, the modern Mozilla seems to have lost its way re: product decisions. It's a pity, they really were a guiding light of open source.
  - jamessb 11y ago
    Yes, but the functionality is still available as an Add-On: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal
    - gkya 11y ago
      From the linked page: > The Tab Groups (Panorama) feature will be removed from Firefox in version 45. We know this may be inconvenient and we apologize. Removing the Tab Groups feature will make it easier for us to improve Firefox. This is plain stupid. How much effort could it be to maintain this feature? Compared to Hello, or Rust, or Servo? None of these are useful to most Firefox users, but tab groups were. How more complex is this than the WebMaker or Persona, stuff that practically no-one uses? Is this harder that writing their current homepage, with blocks, pictures and fancy? I'm not touching a Mozilla product again.
      - axit 11y ago
        As mentioned in the above link you can still use it as an add-on, works just like before: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-pa... Personally, I love tab groups but I can see most normal users not using it.
      - asddddd 11y ago
        It had extremely low usage: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210773#c6 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210773#c6 If the exact same functionality is available as an addon, why is this an issue? Persona is being abandoned as well, BTW.
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- rcthompson 11y ago
  Firefox's tab groups have always been horribly broken. If you have multiple tab groups in a window and you close the last tab in the current group, the entire window closes, losing all of your other tab groups. And since the other than tab groups aren't shown unless you specifically activate the tab group manager, it's very ready to forget about them and close your last tab.
  - nwnz 11y ago
    I'm a big user of Firefox's tab groups (typically with 100s of tabs between the groups) and this is definitely not the case. I just tried it out and closing the last tab in the current group will take you back to the group overview screen.
    - rcthompson 11y ago
      Hmm, I guess I'll have to give it another try. Edit: I remembered the problem. It's not closing the last tab, it's closing the window that closes all tab groups for that window. More generally, the problem for me is that tab groups are local to a window. In practice this basically means that if you want to use tab groups, you can't also use multiple windows, because managing multiple windows each with multiple tab groups pretty much guarantees that you'll go insane trying to keep track of where everything is and which windows are safe to close. I think I would much prefer if tab groups were shared across windows, and each window would "claim" a tab group as its own. Closing that window would either close that tab group or even just "detach" from it, leaving the tab group available for another window to claim it. Essentially, it would work sort of like tmux only with windows and tab groups instead of terminals and shells. (Possibly with the limitation that only one window can view a given tab group at once.) I'd love to use tab groups to organize a large number of tabs, but ultimately, the fact that your tab groups are always a single close button away from being blown away is a deal breaker. (I know I can restore the window to get them back, but that's only if I remember while that closed window is still in the "Recently Closed Windows" menu.)
      - sparkie 11y ago

Clever UI concept. I'd like to have it as a chrome/ff extension, because I don't want to change my browser. Looks nice, though.

by pfraze 11y ago

Clever UI concept. I'd like to have it as a chrome/ff extension, because I don't want to change my browser. Looks nice, though.

gkya 11y ago

Firefox already has the tabgroups feature.

kragniz 11y ago
Hasn't tab groups been removed in the most recent release of firefox?
- gkya 11y ago
  Oh God, why? Well, I use xombrero nowadays so I'd have missed it if such thing happened. It was there five-or-so months ago when I switched. So they put in Hello, Pocket, and whatnot, and remove sth. as relevant and useful as tabgroups? Silly. Didn't know that, sorry.
  - JBReefer 11y ago
    I miss the old Mozilla, the modern Mozilla seems to have lost its way re: product decisions. It's a pity, they really were a guiding light of open source.
- jamessb 11y ago
  Yes, but the functionality is still available as an Add-On: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-groups-removal
  - gkya 11y ago
    From the linked page: > The Tab Groups (Panorama) feature will be removed from Firefox in version 45. We know this may be inconvenient and we apologize. Removing the Tab Groups feature will make it easier for us to improve Firefox. This is plain stupid. How much effort could it be to maintain this feature? Compared to Hello, or Rust, or Servo? None of these are useful to most Firefox users, but tab groups were. How more complex is this than the WebMaker or Persona, stuff that practically no-one uses? Is this harder that writing their current homepage, with blocks, pictures and fancy? I'm not touching a Mozilla product again.
    - axit 11y ago
      As mentioned in the above link you can still use it as an add-on, works just like before: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-panorama/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-groups-pa... Personally, I love tab groups but I can see most normal users not using it.
    - asddddd 11y ago
      It had extremely low usage: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210773#c6 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210773#c6 If the exact same functionality is available as an addon, why is this an issue? Persona is being abandoned as well, BTW.
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rcthompson 11y ago
Firefox's tab groups have always been horribly broken. If you have multiple tab groups in a window and you close the last tab in the current group, the entire window closes, losing all of your other tab groups. And since the other than tab groups aren't shown unless you specifically activate the tab group manager, it's very ready to forget about them and close your last tab.
- nwnz 11y ago
  I'm a big user of Firefox's tab groups (typically with 100s of tabs between the groups) and this is definitely not the case. I just tried it out and closing the last tab in the current group will take you back to the group overview screen.
  - rcthompson 11y ago
    Hmm, I guess I'll have to give it another try. Edit: I remembered the problem. It's not closing the last tab, it's closing the window that closes all tab groups for that window. More generally, the problem for me is that tab groups are local to a window. In practice this basically means that if you want to use tab groups, you can't also use multiple windows, because managing multiple windows each with multiple tab groups pretty much guarantees that you'll go insane trying to keep track of where everything is and which windows are safe to close. I think I would much prefer if tab groups were shared across windows, and each window would "claim" a tab group as its own. Closing that window would either close that tab group or even just "detach" from it, leaving the tab group available for another window to claim it. Essentially, it would work sort of like tmux only with windows and tab groups instead of terminals and shells. (Possibly with the limitation that only one window can view a given tab group at once.) I'd love to use tab groups to organize a large number of tabs, but ultimately, the fact that your tab groups are always a single close button away from being blown away is a deal breaker. (I know I can restore the window to get them back, but that's only if I remember while that closed window is still in the "Recently Closed Windows" menu.)
    - sparkie 11y ago