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Why waste all that effort of maintaining forks when it can be avoided? Systemd folks are being hostile to the wider community of Linux users with that.

by gkya 11y ago

chris_wot 11y ago
You don't need to - there shouldn't be anything that stops other init systems from using it.
- gkya 11y ago
  But there is, and that's why people forked it. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Eudev https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Eudev
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    Uh, that wasn't forked because udev can't work, it was forked because it fit the needs of Gentoo... Have a look at Devuan, I think you'll find that they use the same udev as Ubuntu and Debian. It's not hostile if someone forks a project to meet their requirements but the old software is used by everyone else!
    - chris_wot 11y ago
      Can the person down voting please explain why? I'm going to assume you believe I've been factually inaccurate. If that's the case, I don't mind the downvotes as much as you not explaining where I'm wrong or making any attempt to engage in discourse. If I'm not wrong, then perhaps you should reconsider your actions, because I'll still say what I believe even though you may not like it, karma be damned!
    - JdeBP 11y ago
      > Have a look at Devuan, I think you'll find that they use the same udev as Ubuntu and Debian. Yes, in amongst all of this systemd discussion, please do look at the notional actual topic of this page. And discover vdev. It's explicitly mentioned in the release notes. * https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev * http://judecnelson.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/introducing-vdev.html http://judecnelson.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/introducing-vdev.h... * http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/devuan-4175540922/#post5354824 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/devuan-417...
      - chris_wot 11y ago
        Ah! Thanks - I didn't see this! Appreciate the info :-)
        chris_wot 11y ago
        Interesting - so vdev might be ported to OpenBSD! That's pretty awesome :-)
- chronid 11y ago
  The people currently mantaining udev do not want them to. > Unless the systemd-haters prepare another kdbus userspace until then this will effectively also mean that we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that point. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call. https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-Ma...

Why waste all that effort of maintaining forks when it can be avoided? Systemd folks are being hostile to the wider community of Linux users with that.

by gkya 11y ago

Why waste all that effort of maintaining forks when it can be avoided? Systemd folks are being hostile to the wider community of Linux users with that.

chris_wot 11y ago

You don't need to - there shouldn't be anything that stops other init systems from using it.

gkya 11y ago
But there is, and that's why people forked it. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Eudev https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Eudev
- chris_wot 11y ago
  Uh, that wasn't forked because udev can't work, it was forked because it fit the needs of Gentoo... Have a look at Devuan, I think you'll find that they use the same udev as Ubuntu and Debian. It's not hostile if someone forks a project to meet their requirements but the old software is used by everyone else!
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    Can the person down voting please explain why? I'm going to assume you believe I've been factually inaccurate. If that's the case, I don't mind the downvotes as much as you not explaining where I'm wrong or making any attempt to engage in discourse. If I'm not wrong, then perhaps you should reconsider your actions, because I'll still say what I believe even though you may not like it, karma be damned!
  - JdeBP 11y ago
    > Have a look at Devuan, I think you'll find that they use the same udev as Ubuntu and Debian. Yes, in amongst all of this systemd discussion, please do look at the notional actual topic of this page. And discover vdev. It's explicitly mentioned in the release notes. * https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev https://github.com/jcnelson/vdev * http://judecnelson.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/introducing-vdev.html http://judecnelson.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/introducing-vdev.h... * http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/devuan-4175540922/#post5354824 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/devuan-417...
    - chris_wot 11y ago
      Ah! Thanks - I didn't see this! Appreciate the info :-)
      - chris_wot 11y ago
        Interesting - so vdev might be ported to OpenBSD! That's pretty awesome :-)
chronid 11y ago
The people currently mantaining udev do not want them to. > Unless the systemd-haters prepare another kdbus userspace until then this will effectively also mean that we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that point. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call. https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-Ma...