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I really don't understand people who think politics is something we need. Why? Why do you need a select group of people to tell the rest how they should live th

by snitko 10y ago

I really don't understand people who think politics is something we need. Why? Why do you need a select group of people to tell the rest how they should live their lives?

mvid 10y ago
Sounds more like you aren't trying to understand it.
- snitko 10y ago
  No, I'm just a bit exhausted from talking about it. Yes, I think government and democracy in general are bad concepts. Yes, i think people would be much better off without both. If you want to explore the idea, you just need to start asking yourself the right questions and if the only answer is "nope, can't be done without government" you're not thinking hard enough.
  - johnchristopher 10y ago
    Your stand is not clear. Are you in favour of a complete lack of governing bodies or an enlightened tyrant or something else ?
    - mercurial 10y ago
      Sounds like a libertarian, see his post above.
golergka 10y ago
Because there are people who want to do that. And if you will refuse to decide on this group of people democratically, you'll get a group of completely different people get into that position via violence.
dcposch 10y ago
If you want no government control whatsoever, move to northern Somalia. If you want good governance that respects individual freedom, you have to work for it. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." --- And re: crypto making government "irrelevant", to use your word, that's not how it works. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
- snitko 10y ago
  The problem with your suggestion of moving to Somalia: if you want government, move to North Korea. Do you see the absurdity? > And re: crypto making government "irrelevant", to use your word, that's not how it works. It makes it irrelevant by making it more costly for government to remain in control, not by making physical extortion impossible. If you can't easily tax people by just looking into their bank account and finding out whether they owe you tax money, then you need to physically send a police officer to each household to check for Bitcoin wallets or gold or whatever represents value. That's costly. > If you want good governance that respects individual freedom, you have to work for it. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." Work != voting and believing in democracy with all its bells and whistles. Work means respecting other people's freedom and being able to protect your own. Thinking only government is able to protect people's freedom is like thinking only a slaveowner can provide food and shelter for the slaves.
throwaway2048 10y ago
Politics is something that effects you even if you don't it to, it takes only one side to make a war.

by snitko 10y ago

I really don't understand people who think politics is something we need. Why? Why do you need a select group of people to tell the rest how they should live their lives?

mvid 10y ago

Sounds more like you aren't trying to understand it.

snitko 10y ago
No, I'm just a bit exhausted from talking about it. Yes, I think government and democracy in general are bad concepts. Yes, i think people would be much better off without both. If you want to explore the idea, you just need to start asking yourself the right questions and if the only answer is "nope, can't be done without government" you're not thinking hard enough.
- johnchristopher 10y ago
  Your stand is not clear. Are you in favour of a complete lack of governing bodies or an enlightened tyrant or something else ?
  - mercurial 10y ago
    Sounds like a libertarian, see his post above.

golergka 10y ago

Because there are people who want to do that. And if you will refuse to decide on this group of people democratically, you'll get a group of completely different people get into that position via violence.

dcposch 10y ago

If you want no government control whatsoever, move to northern Somalia. If you want good governance that respects individual freedom, you have to work for it. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." --- And re: crypto making government "irrelevant", to use your word, that's not how it works. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/

snitko 10y ago
The problem with your suggestion of moving to Somalia: if you want government, move to North Korea. Do you see the absurdity? > And re: crypto making government "irrelevant", to use your word, that's not how it works. It makes it irrelevant by making it more costly for government to remain in control, not by making physical extortion impossible. If you can't easily tax people by just looking into their bank account and finding out whether they owe you tax money, then you need to physically send a police officer to each household to check for Bitcoin wallets or gold or whatever represents value. That's costly. > If you want good governance that respects individual freedom, you have to work for it. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." Work != voting and believing in democracy with all its bells and whistles. Work means respecting other people's freedom and being able to protect your own. Thinking only government is able to protect people's freedom is like thinking only a slaveowner can provide food and shelter for the slaves.

throwaway2048 10y ago

Politics is something that effects you even if you don't it to, it takes only one side to make a war.