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Please see the discussion in the comments on Ars. If it wasn't sarcasm, what you said is simply misinformation.

by alexvoda 11y ago

Paul_S 11y ago
Could you clarify, please?
- animeweedlord 11y ago
  The vast majority of popular Vocaloid music is created by the fans themselves, not "Japanese businessmen." In fact, the kneejerk reaction is completely backwards: regular human idols and pop stars are the fake, focus tested machinations of businessmen. Vocaloids are a pure representation of the feelings of regular people. The pop song on the radio was designed and marketed to appeal to a certain audience by people that probably hate what they're creating, acted out by a human puppet. The equivalent Vocaloid song was made by someone that really wanted to write a song about love or loneliness or saccharine positivity or whatever. Ordinary (but talented) people living their dreams through a collective consciousness. From my perspective, it seems strange that anyone enjoyed the "real" thing in the first place.
  - Retric 11y ago
    Bull. These things are not created by a single person. For a more western example Toy Story 3 might have been a moving story, but it's no single persons vision given form. Instead it's the passion from many distilled into it's most marketable form.
    - alexvoda 11y ago
      Are you claiming the songs are not made by individual persons? I know such song writers personally. It's not that big of a deal to create a song an put it on Youtube. I don't really get why you are comparing it to Toy Story.
      - Retric 11y ago
        The song is just a small part. With human pop stars and Animation you at least get a human's take on some music. But, here the voice is synthesized from several people and effects, the motion are all re-rendered and refined based on feedback from multiple people etc etc. Yes, it's voice sounds interesting, but it completely lacks emotion. So, the show ends up even more fake than Animation which still relies on traditional voice actors.
        animeweedlord 11y ago
        Is the guy playing acoustic guitar on the street for tips not the sole creator of his work because some number of people were involved with manufacture of his guitar? Most Vocaloid songs become popular in part because of videos that were animated by a single (usually different) person. As for their voices lacking emotion, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
        alexvoda 11y ago
        I think you are misunderstanding something. And also assuming a lot more is going on than it actually is. First of all, the songs are the main part. All of the rest is just secondary. You can not talk about anything related to Vocaloids without talking about the voice synthesis software, the voice banks and the songs using them. Secondly, most animations that may or may not accompany songs are little more than slide shows with moving elements on the screen. Many songs don't even have that. Many only have a picture. Thirdly, out of the songs that become very popular, some get fan made choreographies. In this process, motion capture using a Kinekt helps a lot, but you need to do fine tuning for a smooth result. Each of these steps is within the realm of what a single very dedicated person can do. Also, there is no such thing "the voice is synthesized from several people and effects" . Each voice bank has a single donor. And you can purchase the Vocaloid software and voice banks and use them without restrictions. Sure, if you want to make a concert and charge for tickets, you might do the choreography part more professionally and use fancy projection technology, so people actually have a reason to pay for those tickets. Otherwise people can just compile a concert themselves and project it in their homes. I did just that for my family to explain the phenomenon to them. As for your last paragraph, I don't think I can convince you something fictional is not "fake". You shouldn't expect animation to look real because that is not the point of animation. As for lacking emotion, I bet you have not heard songs that try to do just that instead of being gimmicky. Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFvN-idN1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFvN-idN1s This was made by just two people. One did the music and lyrics, the other the illustration and video.

Please see the discussion in the comments on Ars. If it wasn't sarcasm, what you said is simply misinformation.

Paul_S 11y ago

Could you clarify, please?

animeweedlord 11y ago
The vast majority of popular Vocaloid music is created by the fans themselves, not "Japanese businessmen." In fact, the kneejerk reaction is completely backwards: regular human idols and pop stars are the fake, focus tested machinations of businessmen. Vocaloids are a pure representation of the feelings of regular people. The pop song on the radio was designed and marketed to appeal to a certain audience by people that probably hate what they're creating, acted out by a human puppet. The equivalent Vocaloid song was made by someone that really wanted to write a song about love or loneliness or saccharine positivity or whatever. Ordinary (but talented) people living their dreams through a collective consciousness. From my perspective, it seems strange that anyone enjoyed the "real" thing in the first place.
- Retric 11y ago
  Bull. These things are not created by a single person. For a more western example Toy Story 3 might have been a moving story, but it's no single persons vision given form. Instead it's the passion from many distilled into it's most marketable form.
  - alexvoda 11y ago
    Are you claiming the songs are not made by individual persons? I know such song writers personally. It's not that big of a deal to create a song an put it on Youtube. I don't really get why you are comparing it to Toy Story.
    - Retric 11y ago
      The song is just a small part. With human pop stars and Animation you at least get a human's take on some music. But, here the voice is synthesized from several people and effects, the motion are all re-rendered and refined based on feedback from multiple people etc etc. Yes, it's voice sounds interesting, but it completely lacks emotion. So, the show ends up even more fake than Animation which still relies on traditional voice actors.
      - animeweedlord 11y ago
        Is the guy playing acoustic guitar on the street for tips not the sole creator of his work because some number of people were involved with manufacture of his guitar? Most Vocaloid songs become popular in part because of videos that were animated by a single (usually different) person. As for their voices lacking emotion, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
      - alexvoda 11y ago
        I think you are misunderstanding something. And also assuming a lot more is going on than it actually is. First of all, the songs are the main part. All of the rest is just secondary. You can not talk about anything related to Vocaloids without talking about the voice synthesis software, the voice banks and the songs using them. Secondly, most animations that may or may not accompany songs are little more than slide shows with moving elements on the screen. Many songs don't even have that. Many only have a picture. Thirdly, out of the songs that become very popular, some get fan made choreographies. In this process, motion capture using a Kinekt helps a lot, but you need to do fine tuning for a smooth result. Each of these steps is within the realm of what a single very dedicated person can do. Also, there is no such thing "the voice is synthesized from several people and effects" . Each voice bank has a single donor. And you can purchase the Vocaloid software and voice banks and use them without restrictions. Sure, if you want to make a concert and charge for tickets, you might do the choreography part more professionally and use fancy projection technology, so people actually have a reason to pay for those tickets. Otherwise people can just compile a concert themselves and project it in their homes. I did just that for my family to explain the phenomenon to them. As for your last paragraph, I don't think I can convince you something fictional is not "fake". You shouldn't expect animation to look real because that is not the point of animation. As for lacking emotion, I bet you have not heard songs that try to do just that instead of being gimmicky. Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFvN-idN1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFvN-idN1s This was made by just two people. One did the music and lyrics, the other the illustration and video.