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'simple people' as opposed to? I think people are coming down really hard on the article, and I found it to be light-hearted, and simply asking people to revisi

by eggy 11y ago

'simple people' as opposed to? I think people are coming down really hard on the article, and I found it to be light-hearted, and simply asking people to revisit where we're at. He doesn't call for anybody to stop using their frameworks. I am studying Erlang/LFE. I chose LFE over Elixir (I know it is not a framework), since I like Lisp rather than the Ruby-like syntax of Elixir, and because one of the creators of Erlang (Robert Virding) has his weight behind LFE; he created it. It is a subjective choice for me. Elixir is great, and a lot of Ruby hackers have picked it up. Do I need Erlang/BEAM/OTP ,right now? Certainly not, but I am studying it anyhow. If I get the chance to implement it for a job, would I do it just because I like it, and WhatsApp uses it effectively? No, unless a fit comes along for it. I do think a lot of people aspire to work for FB and Co. and so they learn those their frameworks, and I would wager there is probably a lot of people trying to bring them into their smaller companies to get the chance to work with them. I find the simile to building a car from scratch, stretching it if you are not FB, WhatsApp, or another biggie. And you should be eager to be able to step into a smaller company who has outgrown its "homegrown" implementation and help them use a framework; you just shouldn't find your happiness only when your neighbor's cow dies ;) But a smaller company shouldn't run with a framework with the vision they will be needing it in 3 years based upon no real analysis of their needs, but based just on wishful thinking. The money could be used to grow the company, and then adopt it at the appropriate time.

gjolund 11y ago
Nobody brings in a framework out of hope that it will lead to them getting a job at said sponsors company. If they do they are very very misled. People choose a framework because they want to benefit from the R&D done at said company, and avoid sinking similar R&D costs into their product. I don't find happiness when my neighbors "cow dies" (I like that metaphor), but it does pay the bills, and that makes me happy. If people keep making the same mistakes, I will keep getting the same contracts in my inbox. p.s. try breaking up your wall of text in future posts, it makes your response really difficult to read.
- marincounty 11y ago
  I was kinda with you until you nitpicked his/her use of paragraphs. You sound like a Rock Star Programmer? Take the night off, go out, have some fun? You made you point. I don't like all these continually changing frameworks either, but I am not a good Programmer. I actually wish their was a site that voted for for the best frameworks, but instead of a popularity contest; the judges would be a mix of the best programmers. Programmers with no adgenda, other than giving their honest unbiased opinions. Maybe throw in students who are in the middle of learning how to program? Actually, some of the best advice, I have gotten, has been from students just learning to program. Specifically the students in Bootcamps. I use to follow this one guy in SF, and he saved me a lot of time in my journey.
- eggy 11y ago
  >p.s. try breaking up your wall of text in future posts, it makes your response really difficult to read. I normally do. See my other reply in this thread below. I'll admit I was first set off by your seemingly condescending remark of 'simple people...'; I should know better. And not to get into too much of an OT style/usage thread, but the use of 'said' could be removed from your sentences as they are written. It is popular in legal writing as an abbreviation for 'aforesaid' or 'aforementioned', but also comes off as an affectation when used unnecessarily. My point about some people bringing in, or championing a framework for a freelance gig, is that sometimes it is done to get some paid time learning that framework for future jobs. I think is it is disingenuous to dismiss that factor. As a senior manager and director, I have seen people let their personal goals bias their decision making in all types of business. I still don't think the article was against using frameworks. I think it was about questioning or revisiting your reasons for choosing them.

by eggy 11y ago

gjolund 11y ago

Nobody brings in a framework out of hope that it will lead to them getting a job at said sponsors company. If they do they are very very misled. People choose a framework because they want to benefit from the R&D done at said company, and avoid sinking similar R&D costs into their product. I don't find happiness when my neighbors "cow dies" (I like that metaphor), but it does pay the bills, and that makes me happy. If people keep making the same mistakes, I will keep getting the same contracts in my inbox. p.s. try breaking up your wall of text in future posts, it makes your response really difficult to read.

marincounty 11y ago
I was kinda with you until you nitpicked his/her use of paragraphs. You sound like a Rock Star Programmer? Take the night off, go out, have some fun? You made you point. I don't like all these continually changing frameworks either, but I am not a good Programmer. I actually wish their was a site that voted for for the best frameworks, but instead of a popularity contest; the judges would be a mix of the best programmers. Programmers with no adgenda, other than giving their honest unbiased opinions. Maybe throw in students who are in the middle of learning how to program? Actually, some of the best advice, I have gotten, has been from students just learning to program. Specifically the students in Bootcamps. I use to follow this one guy in SF, and he saved me a lot of time in my journey.
eggy 11y ago
>p.s. try breaking up your wall of text in future posts, it makes your response really difficult to read. I normally do. See my other reply in this thread below. I'll admit I was first set off by your seemingly condescending remark of 'simple people...'; I should know better. And not to get into too much of an OT style/usage thread, but the use of 'said' could be removed from your sentences as they are written. It is popular in legal writing as an abbreviation for 'aforesaid' or 'aforementioned', but also comes off as an affectation when used unnecessarily. My point about some people bringing in, or championing a framework for a freelance gig, is that sometimes it is done to get some paid time learning that framework for future jobs. I think is it is disingenuous to dismiss that factor. As a senior manager and director, I have seen people let their personal goals bias their decision making in all types of business. I still don't think the article was against using frameworks. I think it was about questioning or revisiting your reasons for choosing them.