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Does it only apply to computers within the borders of the US or also outside of it ?

cloudjacker 10y ago
This applies to computers outside of the US. The FBI has already been doing this, Congress authorized the FBI to conduct all of the state sponsored hacking. It was just a little complicated.
- wrong_variable 10y ago
  That makes absolutely no sense - how are they doing to enforce this rule for countries like china or russia ?
  - cloudjacker 10y ago
    They typically don't because there are consequences for the US if it tried. It is all the other countries where they do enforce it. Its okay, everyone believes what you believe, this isn't reality though.
- kempe 10y ago
  I believed it was CIA and NSA that operated beyond u.s. borders. But of course, patterns that fbi finds could lead to other countries as well.
  - cloudjacker 10y ago
    they do. although the FBI is a domestic enforcement agency, Congress specifically gave it the ability to hack any computer anywhere in the world. Despite whatever concepts you have ever heard about any agency's mission or limitations, Congress has the ability to delegate tasks to whatever agency it thinks have resources, and then those laws stay on the books.
  - mark_l_watson 10y ago
    In the 1990s, the FBI and NSA did a lot of good work persuing organized computer crime operations around the world. Back then they also seemed to care more about the security of US infrastructure.
- rmc 10y ago
  > This applies to computers outside of the US. No US law applies outside the US (or US flagged ships etc). The USA might like this to apply, but that doesn't make it true.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > No US law applies outside the US "no" is a bit strong there. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-fede... > Federal law provides “extraterritorial jurisdiction” over certain sex offenses against children. Extraterritorial jurisdiction is the legal authority of the United States to prosecute criminal conduct that took place outside its borders.
  - cloudjacker 10y ago
    Its okay, everyone believes what you do. That doesn't limit the US in any way from creating court orders against non-US persons located outside of the US, it doesn't limit them from extraditing them, raiding their property, hacking and altering their property, and convicting them in US courts and jailing them, and winning appeals. Typically regarding raids and property seizures they collaborate with local authorities in foreign countries, with one FBI agent present to make sure the raid is compliant with US laws. Sometimes such compliance violates the local laws, and merely delays extradition proceedings. But the US typically gets the result it wants by freezing the property and preventing the person from continuing their behavior, and if they get the person to the US for jail and trial that is just icing on the cake.
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This applies to computers outside of the US. The FBI has already been doing this, Congress authorized the FBI to conduct all of the state sponsored hacking. It was just a little complicated.

wrong_variable 10y ago
That makes absolutely no sense - how are they doing to enforce this rule for countries like china or russia ?
- cloudjacker 10y ago
  They typically don't because there are consequences for the US if it tried. It is all the other countries where they do enforce it. Its okay, everyone believes what you believe, this isn't reality though.
kempe 10y ago
I believed it was CIA and NSA that operated beyond u.s. borders. But of course, patterns that fbi finds could lead to other countries as well.
- cloudjacker 10y ago
  they do. although the FBI is a domestic enforcement agency, Congress specifically gave it the ability to hack any computer anywhere in the world. Despite whatever concepts you have ever heard about any agency's mission or limitations, Congress has the ability to delegate tasks to whatever agency it thinks have resources, and then those laws stay on the books.
- mark_l_watson 10y ago
  In the 1990s, the FBI and NSA did a lot of good work persuing organized computer crime operations around the world. Back then they also seemed to care more about the security of US infrastructure.
rmc 10y ago
> This applies to computers outside of the US. No US law applies outside the US (or US flagged ships etc). The USA might like this to apply, but that doesn't make it true.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > No US law applies outside the US "no" is a bit strong there. https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-fede... > Federal law provides “extraterritorial jurisdiction” over certain sex offenses against children. Extraterritorial jurisdiction is the legal authority of the United States to prosecute criminal conduct that took place outside its borders.
- cloudjacker 10y ago
  Its okay, everyone believes what you do. That doesn't limit the US in any way from creating court orders against non-US persons located outside of the US, it doesn't limit them from extraditing them, raiding their property, hacking and altering their property, and convicting them in US courts and jailing them, and winning appeals. Typically regarding raids and property seizures they collaborate with local authorities in foreign countries, with one FBI agent present to make sure the raid is compliant with US laws. Sometimes such compliance violates the local laws, and merely delays extradition proceedings. But the US typically gets the result it wants by freezing the property and preventing the person from continuing their behavior, and if they get the person to the US for jail and trial that is just icing on the cake.

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