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(this is not meant to me inflammatory, but rather an honest rumination) Keeping the feminism/SJW/manosphere shenanigans in my peripheral vision, there's been a

by fizgig 10y ago

(this is not meant to me inflammatory, but rather an honest rumination) Keeping the feminism/SJW/manosphere shenanigans in my peripheral vision, there's been a huge backlash rallying against single mothers in recent years. There's even some anecdotal evidence in dating sites/posts that single mothers are increasingly more open of their demanding that men "man up" and accept another's child/children as part of the package. Shaming single mothers for being on state assistance or child support only seemed to increase feminist resolve, but a tangible impact in reduced desirability in the larger dating pool may be pushing women to be more responsible.

jandrese 10y ago
I thought there were fewer single mothers because we have been decreasing the prison population. Lots of mothers were single because our Nixon era drug laws were aimed at locking up as many minority men as possible.
- fizgig 10y ago
  For all I know, that could be the primary factor. I'm not well versed enough to speak with any authority. I just tossed an idea out there based from my sphere of online observations over the past 5 or so years.
pavel_lishin 10y ago
> There's even some anecdotal evidence in dating sites/posts that single mothers are increasingly more open of their demanding that men "man up" and accept another's child/children as part of the package. If you're going to seriously date a single mother, what other option do you have? I'm not suggesting that you meet the kids on the second date, but if you're seriously romantically involved with someone for six months, you're not going to be able to continue that relationship with the single parent without having some involvement with the kids, too. It seems crazier to me to have the option of opting out of the kids in this scenario. Do you just live separately until they turn 18?
- fizgig 10y ago
  I think the prevailing attitude is to completely disregard single mothers (in spite of their overwhelming numbers) as viable dating candidates to begin with. Women are noticing this, then shaming men with the whole "real men yadda-yadda-yadda..." lists seen on posts.
  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    That interpretation makes a lot of sense.
googletazer 10y ago
Its basically a dynamic system oscillating and settling into some steady state (until the next shock) where what men want and what women want is rebalanced and more accurately represented.
nikdaheratik 10y ago
This explanation, if you want to call it that, doesn't seem to be borne out by anything in the study. More to the point, since most of these teens are unable to or unlikely to get married to begin with, I don't think any of the "single mother" nonsense applies to them. Additionally, most people, but especially teens, don't think about some future "dating pool" when they decide to have sex. They usually just believe two of the oldest lies out there: "we're not gonna get pregnant" and "he's gonna still be around in 9 months". So basically: your opinion is invalid, and it's also slightly insulting since it seems to put everything on the women in the relationship and blames "single mothers" for choosing the wrong gender, I guess, since they wouldn't be in the same situation by your logic if they did the exact same thing but were male.

by fizgig 10y ago

jandrese 10y ago

I thought there were fewer single mothers because we have been decreasing the prison population. Lots of mothers were single because our Nixon era drug laws were aimed at locking up as many minority men as possible.

fizgig 10y ago
For all I know, that could be the primary factor. I'm not well versed enough to speak with any authority. I just tossed an idea out there based from my sphere of online observations over the past 5 or so years.

pavel_lishin 10y ago

> There's even some anecdotal evidence in dating sites/posts that single mothers are increasingly more open of their demanding that men "man up" and accept another's child/children as part of the package. If you're going to seriously date a single mother, what other option do you have? I'm not suggesting that you meet the kids on the second date, but if you're seriously romantically involved with someone for six months, you're not going to be able to continue that relationship with the single parent without having some involvement with the kids, too. It seems crazier to me to have the option of opting out of the kids in this scenario. Do you just live separately until they turn 18?

fizgig 10y ago
I think the prevailing attitude is to completely disregard single mothers (in spite of their overwhelming numbers) as viable dating candidates to begin with. Women are noticing this, then shaming men with the whole "real men yadda-yadda-yadda..." lists seen on posts.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  That interpretation makes a lot of sense.

googletazer 10y ago

Its basically a dynamic system oscillating and settling into some steady state (until the next shock) where what men want and what women want is rebalanced and more accurately represented.

nikdaheratik 10y ago

This explanation, if you want to call it that, doesn't seem to be borne out by anything in the study. More to the point, since most of these teens are unable to or unlikely to get married to begin with, I don't think any of the "single mother" nonsense applies to them. Additionally, most people, but especially teens, don't think about some future "dating pool" when they decide to have sex. They usually just believe two of the oldest lies out there: "we're not gonna get pregnant" and "he's gonna still be around in 9 months". So basically: your opinion is invalid, and it's also slightly insulting since it seems to put everything on the women in the relationship and blames "single mothers" for choosing the wrong gender, I guess, since they wouldn't be in the same situation by your logic if they did the exact same thing but were male.