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> first ones to break or provide color on important stories. No question about the color, but do you have an example for those "break on important stories".

whatok 11y ago
Little old but this is the first example I could think of but this was absolutely not covered in depth by any mainstream outlet http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/coming-soon-theater-near-you-mbias-1-billion-world-war-z http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/coming-soon-theater...
- runako 11y ago
  This looks like analysis; did they break anything new here? Also -- were they right on the analysis? The stock chart is inconclusive.
- tobltobs 11y ago
  That is not a break on an import story. It would have been if they would have posted this before Moody downgraded Zohars. This is nothing else then some collections of freely available news mixed together with some pubertal slang. And their included predictions have a bad hit rate, even for ZH standards.
  - whatok 11y ago
    You're right, it's not breaking news. I misread your quote. Nonetheless, it was a decently done, freely available analysis done on a semi-esoteric topic that really would not be covered by anyone else. If you solely rely on any source for "predictions", let alone ZH, I don't know what to say. No one is ever going to claim that ZH made them rich.
shrikant 11y ago
I can't speak to the "important" in that claim, but the folks at ZH have friends and connections in the world of finance from whom they can get leaked communications and reports. For example, this post on Trump's nomination chances [1] draws heavily upon charts produced by Goldman Sachs, presumably for their clients only. [1] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20/can-trump-win-general-election-goldman-answers-all-your-election-questions http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20/can-trump-win-gener... Edited to add: I also know this because a friend of mine had their report leaked and written about on ZH, leading to a bit of a storm in a teacup at their workplace.
- tobltobs 11y ago
  That is also not an break on an important story. Just some analysis again. But yes, those leaked reports on ZH are interesting. Problem is they also publish lots of stuff from disputable sources. At the end you don't know what to take serious on this website, which results in an entropy of about zero.
- whatok 11y ago
  Pretty much all financial news outlets receive research from all the sell-side banks. ZH stealing a chart from a GS report is nothing special.
- justincormack 11y ago
  Bank's client research is widely available.
6stringmerc 11y ago
In my experience, for a while when oil was extremely volatile up over $100 per barrel, they were at the forefront of breaking any supply chain stories (ex: Suez Canal). I survey many different sites and I have seen ZH do some very timely and organized reporting. Also, they aggregate a lot of big names (Gross, Gundlach, etc) so I don't have to track down their latest missives. There is a very long and seemingly unending row of garbage barge stories and sensationalism to deal with though, I will never deny that.
21 11y ago
In 2009, when WHO upgraded the bird-flu scare to a "pandemic level 6", I heard the news first on the ZH Twitter. Only one-two hours later did the usual agencies also reported this (probably because they were verifying it).

whatok 11y ago

Little old but this is the first example I could think of but this was absolutely not covered in depth by any mainstream outlet http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/coming-soon-theater-near-you-mbias-1-billion-world-war-z http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/coming-soon-theater...

runako 11y ago
This looks like analysis; did they break anything new here? Also -- were they right on the analysis? The stock chart is inconclusive.
tobltobs 11y ago
That is not a break on an import story. It would have been if they would have posted this before Moody downgraded Zohars. This is nothing else then some collections of freely available news mixed together with some pubertal slang. And their included predictions have a bad hit rate, even for ZH standards.
- whatok 11y ago
  You're right, it's not breaking news. I misread your quote. Nonetheless, it was a decently done, freely available analysis done on a semi-esoteric topic that really would not be covered by anyone else. If you solely rely on any source for "predictions", let alone ZH, I don't know what to say. No one is ever going to claim that ZH made them rich.

shrikant 11y ago

I can't speak to the "important" in that claim, but the folks at ZH have friends and connections in the world of finance from whom they can get leaked communications and reports. For example, this post on Trump's nomination chances [1] draws heavily upon charts produced by Goldman Sachs, presumably for their clients only. [1] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20/can-trump-win-general-election-goldman-answers-all-your-election-questions http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-20/can-trump-win-gener... Edited to add: I also know this because a friend of mine had their report leaked and written about on ZH, leading to a bit of a storm in a teacup at their workplace.

tobltobs 11y ago
That is also not an break on an important story. Just some analysis again. But yes, those leaked reports on ZH are interesting. Problem is they also publish lots of stuff from disputable sources. At the end you don't know what to take serious on this website, which results in an entropy of about zero.
whatok 11y ago
Pretty much all financial news outlets receive research from all the sell-side banks. ZH stealing a chart from a GS report is nothing special.
justincormack 11y ago
Bank's client research is widely available.

6stringmerc 11y ago

In my experience, for a while when oil was extremely volatile up over $100 per barrel, they were at the forefront of breaking any supply chain stories (ex: Suez Canal). I survey many different sites and I have seen ZH do some very timely and organized reporting. Also, they aggregate a lot of big names (Gross, Gundlach, etc) so I don't have to track down their latest missives. There is a very long and seemingly unending row of garbage barge stories and sensationalism to deal with though, I will never deny that.

21 11y ago

In 2009, when WHO upgraded the bird-flu scare to a "pandemic level 6", I heard the news first on the ZH Twitter. Only one-two hours later did the usual agencies also reported this (probably because they were verifying it).