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If they can jail someone for not decrypting data, what stops law enforcement from piping /dev/random into kiddie_porn.tc and getting some 'expert' to 'guess' th
by infogulch 11y ago
If they can jail someone for not decrypting data, what stops law enforcement from piping /dev/random into kiddie_porn.tc and getting some 'expert' to 'guess' that it contains illegal images as an excuse to jail some inconvenient individual forever?
- maxerickson 11y agoProcedure and integrity. Which are in play in almost every aspect of law enforcement anyway. The thing to be concerned about here is the ever more complicated legal theories being tested against really old laws.
- anon4 11y agoProcedure and integrity holding back law enforcement is like not being hungry holding back lions from eating a gazelle.
- toolz 11y ago>Procedure and integrity. Which are in play in almost every aspect of law enforcement anyway. Procedure and integrity are in play in almost every aspect in life. The problem is that when you give absolute power, the ones who aim to use it the most are the minority who seek to abuse the power.
- rhino369 11y agoWhy bother framing you. They can just take you out back and shoot you.
- umanwizard 11y agoAlthough I agree that we're heading this direction at a scary rate, it's an exaggeration to claim that the U.S. is already a place where this is routinely possible.
- AnimalMuppet 11y agoThe U.S. is a place where this is currently routinely possible. It is not (I believe) a place where this is currently routinely done.
- mdpopescu 11y agoMost people did not believe, pre-Snowden, that intercepting everyone's communications was something that was routinely done (though they might have believed it was possible).
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- mioelnir 11y agoWell, both evidence planting as well as using parallel construction to fabricate an intricate web of lies to present to courts as the origin of some piece of evidence are already normal. Just combine them, and simply lie about false evidence instead of correct one. Since it is already obvious that the law is not considered binding if inconvenient, there really is no obstacle to overcome anymore.
- donatj 11y agoBecause if they shoot you, they're viewed as the bad guy. If they frame you, you're the bad guy. It's all about managing appearances.
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- infogulch 11y agoIf you're convicted for some crime using, say, biometric and network data you can view the evidence and dispute it on several levels. If someone wanted to plant fake data, it would require corruption along the whole chain of custody including many many people and several companies. But something like this could be created with three seconds in front of a terminal by a single individual. Here there's no evidence to dispute.
- stordoff 11y agoIs this a meaningful risk? If law enforcement are willing to plant evidence, couldn't they just plant actual child porn and skip the expert?
- dllthomas 11y agoWell, for one thing, the charges for actual kiddie porn are less than "indefinite detention".
- plorkyeran 11y agoActual child porn isn't an automatic life sentence.