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By all means, let us ignore the herd of elephants stomping through the room. This is all about the strange and disastrous new European fear of offending Those

By all means, let us ignore the herd of elephants stomping through the room. This is all about the strange and disastrous new European fear of offending Those Who Must Not Be Offended. In this case a visiting Iranian head of state, but we see this stuff played out all over Europe every day, from this level and all the way down to minor, personal encounters. But please, let us pretend we don't.

Kristine1975 10y ago
>This is all about the strange and disastrous new European fear of offending Those Who Must Not Be Offended No it's not: The article describes several examples of such censorship, none of which had to do with Muslims (which I guess you're alluding to).
- GauntletWizard 10y ago
  It's just as much the puritanical Christians and the feelings of Progressives that are demanding these coverups. It is not muslims, it is the blowback against freedom of speech by a number of groups who feel that they have a right not to be offended, and that their dogmatism is the one true way. It's not a surprise, these things are cyclical, and global culture went through nearly 50 years of expanding tolerance - The drug use of the 60s and 70s, glorification of teenage rebellion in 80s and 90s, and the tech disruption of the aughts. We're seeing a resurgence of spirituality, in much the same way we've seen it before[1]. Not all of it is explicitly religious, some of it is just indistinguishable in it's goals. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_revival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_revival
  - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
    I don't think it has anything to do with spirituality or even with religion. There seems to be a certain alpha male - or at least alpha authoritarian - model of power which is rooted in a pretence of stern, serious, and disciplined public morality combined with private self-indulgence. When you have naked boobies on display in public buildings, that model of pretended integrity starts to break down. Boobies and naked bodies - especially female bodies - are fundamentally antithetical to the immensely serious business of public alpha moral posturing. They're strictly for private off-the-record consumption only. Non-authoritarians don't care about keeping up appearances in this way. But authoritarians and narcissists most certainly do.
- interfixus 10y ago
  Actually, I am alluding to the European attitude to 'moslems'.
JonnieCache 10y ago
As the article patiently explains, italian culture has been dealing with this conflict for hundreds of years.

Kristine1975 10y ago

>This is all about the strange and disastrous new European fear of offending Those Who Must Not Be Offended No it's not: The article describes several examples of such censorship, none of which had to do with Muslims (which I guess you're alluding to).

GauntletWizard 10y ago
It's just as much the puritanical Christians and the feelings of Progressives that are demanding these coverups. It is not muslims, it is the blowback against freedom of speech by a number of groups who feel that they have a right not to be offended, and that their dogmatism is the one true way. It's not a surprise, these things are cyclical, and global culture went through nearly 50 years of expanding tolerance - The drug use of the 60s and 70s, glorification of teenage rebellion in 80s and 90s, and the tech disruption of the aughts. We're seeing a resurgence of spirituality, in much the same way we've seen it before[1]. Not all of it is explicitly religious, some of it is just indistinguishable in it's goals. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_revival https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_revival
- TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
  I don't think it has anything to do with spirituality or even with religion. There seems to be a certain alpha male - or at least alpha authoritarian - model of power which is rooted in a pretence of stern, serious, and disciplined public morality combined with private self-indulgence. When you have naked boobies on display in public buildings, that model of pretended integrity starts to break down. Boobies and naked bodies - especially female bodies - are fundamentally antithetical to the immensely serious business of public alpha moral posturing. They're strictly for private off-the-record consumption only. Non-authoritarians don't care about keeping up appearances in this way. But authoritarians and narcissists most certainly do.
interfixus 10y ago
Actually, I am alluding to the European attitude to 'moslems'.

JonnieCache 10y ago

As the article patiently explains, italian culture has been dealing with this conflict for hundreds of years.