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Apply HN: Mental Health Medication Self-Assesment App

3 points by thevibesman 10y ago

Selection of medication used in mental health treatment is often a complicated process of trial and error. A prescriber will begin with an educated guess for the most effective treatment for a given patient and the patient begins a period of medication evaluation to determine if if the right ratio of efficacy and side-effects are met; if not, the process is repeated. Sometimes during this process, patients will only meet with prescribers for 30-minutes once a month providing a narrow window for observation. Patients are given the difficult question of answering if they feel the medication "is working". There are two main challenges to this evaluation: 1. In a study of 1, it is very difficult to control for other factors that effect mood or the effectiveness of the medication (e.g. sleep, diet, dosage timing, external life events) 2. The nature of these medications could change perception, so it is sometimes difficult for a patient to self-evaluate how their mood one day compared to the past. A patient may have one feeling about the effectiveness of their medication and another a week later when visiting their doctor. I would like to build an app that acts as a friend during this difficult evaluation: regularly asking questions about sleep, diet, stress, mood, and general impressions of the medication. The patient and doctor could use the data from this app together to discuss a more complete picture of the patient's recent mood than may be revealed in a discussion on any one particular day. With the correct privacy controls in place, this app could provide a source of research data for studies to help discover why some medications work better for certain patients. I would like this to be a tool to help people and create greater efficiency in this are of mental health and would like to make it available to all patients. I am considering if a non-profit would be a better path than attaching a business model to this.

brudgers 10y ago
Interesting idea. How are clinical standards and expertise to be incorporated into and expressed by the software?
- thevibesman 10y ago
  There are a number of 'workbooks' used for self-evaluation and simple data collection between sessions in clinical treatment of depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, etc. These workbooks will be used to develop the set of measurement dimensions used in the first prototypes. Initially, development focus will be around designing a user experience that is easy to use and promotes consistent use of the app because this is needed to take advantage of any clinical expertise embodied by the software. In working on this design, I plan to consult existing research literature on the use of existing at-home evaluation methods and issues of non-compliance for general out-patient medical treatment. After designing the initial experience, I would plan to consult with M.D.s and doctors of psychology both to find out ways to increase patient use of the software and to develop in-app analysis that would be beneficial clinically. (EDIT: forgot this sentence) I have a friend who is a M.D. working in research psychiatry here in Boston, as well as some other contacts that I plan to reach out to as I try to grow a network of possible consultants. Another important part of this consultation would be to make sure this app is viewed a tool to help patient and doctor and not as a tool for patients to make their own medical choices without doctor consultation. Being based in Boston/Cambridge, I am surrounded by a large hospital community with a lot of interesting mental health research going on outside of drug trials. If I could get this software involved with one of the studies on clinical methodologies it would be a great way to get user feedback and incorporate clinical standards into the software.
thevibesman 10y ago
DISCLAIMER: I already submitted one 'Apply HN' (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11584508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11584508), but as the YCombinator application asks about other ideas founders are interested I thought I would post this as well. This is an idea I am passionate about as over the years I have seen friends and family struggle with the difficulty of being part of a study of one; so aside from being my 'other idea' post, I was curious for any feedback on how to get a project like this started that does not have a business model attached (my thoughts are around non-profits and research grants, although I have not looked into the later). I'd also be curious to get connected with anyone else interested in similar ideas.
- tcj_phx 10y ago
  My experience as an observer of the mental health system is that it's a complete disaster. See my submissions & comments. If your app was combined with my "scrap & rebuild" of the System, it'd probably be quite useful. The worst of the patients are stuck in a tunnel, but such an app could be especially useful for helping family & friends keep track of how the patient is doing - what helps, and what makes their condition worse.
  - thevibesman 10y ago
    > helping family & friends keep track of how the patient is doing - what helps, and what makes their condition worse. This relates to one of my motivations for this idea: there is only so much family and friends can do and when they are tasked (if at the request of the patient) with this sort of tracking it can put strains on relationships. Sometimes the friend or loved one asked to watch out for this things is not the right person to hear it from when the data matters. I feel it would empower patients to have their own access to this information than it being held by a friend or family member---other users contributing to the patients data is a good idea I think. EDIT: (below) >If your app was combined with my "scrap & rebuild" of the System, it'd probably be quite useful. What I am proposing is a way for patients to better understand data about themselves, which would be important in any mental health system. There are many mental health success stories today; I'm not proposing a replacement but a way of improving an existing system. I think it is important to better understand these success so they can be duplicated (and failures in the evaluation-loop learned from).
ryporter 10y ago
I think that tools like this are great, but there already are some in this space (e.g., mySymptoms [1]). How will you differentiate yourself? [1] http://skygazerlabs.com/wp/ http://skygazerlabs.com/wp/
- thevibesman 10y ago
  The first differentiator will be price: I would like to figure out a way to offer this to patients without charging for the app or turning the patients into a product. As a tool to help people help themselves, I would like to lower barriers to entry as much as possible; which is why I'm exploring the possibility of pursuing this idea as a non-profit. Other apps that I have found are either paid apps or free with in-app purchases (e.g. in-app purchase to keep your mood log private; I wonder what privacy is like in an app whose default state is public posting). There are many more mood trackers than apps that allow you to track one dimension such as mood and not both symptoms and potential contributing factors, but as you point out there are some apps doing this already. Existing apps that track both symptoms and mood have two challenges: 1. Staying motivated to continue to log data daily as a patient goes through an evaluation is difficult if record keeping is done with pencil+paper or an app. 2. Apps that track more than mood have a more complicated UX to handle input across a variety of dimensions. Apps like mySymptoms do make self-evaluation and data collection easier because the patient will usually have their phone with them; but this is still a chore. mySymptoms was designed to track symptoms for Irritable Bowel Syndrome and the UX reflects the motivation level of that user group. Instead of a log keeping app, I want to make an app that will act like a personal lab assistant guiding the patient through their study of 1. Here is how I am trying to make this process of record keeping easier:[EDIT: fixed line breaks] 1. A UI/UX that allows data entry with as few touches as possible: each datapoint should be able to be entered with a single touch or gesture (voice interaction would be useful too, but one step at a time). 2. Present the user with one question from the lab assistant at a time instead of providing a daily grid to update. 3. Don't wait for user action, but prompt the user to interact with the app. Timing of prompts can be triggered by learned timing of user interaction with the app, desired medication/eating schedule, and sensor input to ask questions at the right time (some users my respond to prompts better while on the move while others when at home).

3 points by thevibesman 10y ago

brudgers 10y ago

Interesting idea. How are clinical standards and expertise to be incorporated into and expressed by the software?

thevibesman 10y ago
There are a number of 'workbooks' used for self-evaluation and simple data collection between sessions in clinical treatment of depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, etc. These workbooks will be used to develop the set of measurement dimensions used in the first prototypes. Initially, development focus will be around designing a user experience that is easy to use and promotes consistent use of the app because this is needed to take advantage of any clinical expertise embodied by the software. In working on this design, I plan to consult existing research literature on the use of existing at-home evaluation methods and issues of non-compliance for general out-patient medical treatment. After designing the initial experience, I would plan to consult with M.D.s and doctors of psychology both to find out ways to increase patient use of the software and to develop in-app analysis that would be beneficial clinically. (EDIT: forgot this sentence) I have a friend who is a M.D. working in research psychiatry here in Boston, as well as some other contacts that I plan to reach out to as I try to grow a network of possible consultants. Another important part of this consultation would be to make sure this app is viewed a tool to help patient and doctor and not as a tool for patients to make their own medical choices without doctor consultation. Being based in Boston/Cambridge, I am surrounded by a large hospital community with a lot of interesting mental health research going on outside of drug trials. If I could get this software involved with one of the studies on clinical methodologies it would be a great way to get user feedback and incorporate clinical standards into the software.

thevibesman 10y ago

DISCLAIMER: I already submitted one 'Apply HN' (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11584508 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11584508), but as the YCombinator application asks about other ideas founders are interested I thought I would post this as well. This is an idea I am passionate about as over the years I have seen friends and family struggle with the difficulty of being part of a study of one; so aside from being my 'other idea' post, I was curious for any feedback on how to get a project like this started that does not have a business model attached (my thoughts are around non-profits and research grants, although I have not looked into the later). I'd also be curious to get connected with anyone else interested in similar ideas.

tcj_phx 10y ago
My experience as an observer of the mental health system is that it's a complete disaster. See my submissions & comments. If your app was combined with my "scrap & rebuild" of the System, it'd probably be quite useful. The worst of the patients are stuck in a tunnel, but such an app could be especially useful for helping family & friends keep track of how the patient is doing - what helps, and what makes their condition worse.
- thevibesman 10y ago
  > helping family & friends keep track of how the patient is doing - what helps, and what makes their condition worse. This relates to one of my motivations for this idea: there is only so much family and friends can do and when they are tasked (if at the request of the patient) with this sort of tracking it can put strains on relationships. Sometimes the friend or loved one asked to watch out for this things is not the right person to hear it from when the data matters. I feel it would empower patients to have their own access to this information than it being held by a friend or family member---other users contributing to the patients data is a good idea I think. EDIT: (below) >If your app was combined with my "scrap & rebuild" of the System, it'd probably be quite useful. What I am proposing is a way for patients to better understand data about themselves, which would be important in any mental health system. There are many mental health success stories today; I'm not proposing a replacement but a way of improving an existing system. I think it is important to better understand these success so they can be duplicated (and failures in the evaluation-loop learned from).

ryporter 10y ago

I think that tools like this are great, but there already are some in this space (e.g., mySymptoms [1]). How will you differentiate yourself? [1] http://skygazerlabs.com/wp/ http://skygazerlabs.com/wp/

thevibesman 10y ago
The first differentiator will be price: I would like to figure out a way to offer this to patients without charging for the app or turning the patients into a product. As a tool to help people help themselves, I would like to lower barriers to entry as much as possible; which is why I'm exploring the possibility of pursuing this idea as a non-profit. Other apps that I have found are either paid apps or free with in-app purchases (e.g. in-app purchase to keep your mood log private; I wonder what privacy is like in an app whose default state is public posting). There are many more mood trackers than apps that allow you to track one dimension such as mood and not both symptoms and potential contributing factors, but as you point out there are some apps doing this already. Existing apps that track both symptoms and mood have two challenges: 1. Staying motivated to continue to log data daily as a patient goes through an evaluation is difficult if record keeping is done with pencil+paper or an app. 2. Apps that track more than mood have a more complicated UX to handle input across a variety of dimensions. Apps like mySymptoms do make self-evaluation and data collection easier because the patient will usually have their phone with them; but this is still a chore. mySymptoms was designed to track symptoms for Irritable Bowel Syndrome and the UX reflects the motivation level of that user group. Instead of a log keeping app, I want to make an app that will act like a personal lab assistant guiding the patient through their study of 1. Here is how I am trying to make this process of record keeping easier:[EDIT: fixed line breaks] 1. A UI/UX that allows data entry with as few touches as possible: each datapoint should be able to be entered with a single touch or gesture (voice interaction would be useful too, but one step at a time). 2. Present the user with one question from the lab assistant at a time instead of providing a daily grid to update. 3. Don't wait for user action, but prompt the user to interact with the app. Timing of prompts can be triggered by learned timing of user interaction with the app, desired medication/eating schedule, and sensor input to ask questions at the right time (some users my respond to prompts better while on the move while others when at home).