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I'm confused. Am I being trolled? You are using words that I agree with but you sound like you want an argument. Of course poor white men benefit from the raci

I'm confused. Am I being trolled? You are using words that I agree with but you sound like you want an argument. Of course poor white men benefit from the racist patriarchy, but HN gets upset if you say that bluntly. You seem to disagree that feminism needs to be intersectional? That's fine. A lot of people participate in white feminism, but many feminist leaders believe capitalism, racism, and sexism have to be tackled together. https://www.quora.com/Does-Gloria-Steinem-think-that-capitalism-and-feminism-are-compatible-Does-the-aggressive-commodification-defeat-the-end-goal-of-feminism https://www.quora.com/Does-Gloria-Steinem-think-that-capital... https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-feel-about-the-rise-of-intersectional-feminism-and-the-role-of-intersectionality-in-contemporary-feminist-thought https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-feel-about-the-rise-of-inte... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_Theory:_From_Margin_to_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_Theory:_From_Margin_t...

empthought 11y ago
You claimed (or insinuated, anyway) that the fact that feminism is more concerned with the Obama daughters than with an anonymous poor white man is a criticism of feminism. I claim that is not a valid criticism because speaking for poor white men is not a concern of feminism except where it is obvious that patriarchy is the source of their problems.
- kelukelugames 11y ago
  Okay got it, you think I'm derailing. Poor white men example was trying to connect to HNers who think privilege is a myth. Privileged tech workers are more likely to acknowledge class advantages. So I hope they could eventually make the leap to gender and race. The criticism of mainstream feminism is that they don't do enough for working class women or women of color. Which is probably not a concept that HN is ready for.
  - empthought 11y ago
    All right, everything turned out better than expected, then. :)

empthought 11y ago

You claimed (or insinuated, anyway) that the fact that feminism is more concerned with the Obama daughters than with an anonymous poor white man is a criticism of feminism. I claim that is not a valid criticism because speaking for poor white men is not a concern of feminism except where it is obvious that patriarchy is the source of their problems.

kelukelugames 11y ago
Okay got it, you think I'm derailing. Poor white men example was trying to connect to HNers who think privilege is a myth. Privileged tech workers are more likely to acknowledge class advantages. So I hope they could eventually make the leap to gender and race. The criticism of mainstream feminism is that they don't do enough for working class women or women of color. Which is probably not a concept that HN is ready for.
- empthought 11y ago
  All right, everything turned out better than expected, then. :)