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because you want immense suffering to expand outward undefinitely, instead of being confined to one dot where there's a hopeful chance of it being put out?

by exit 10y ago

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deedubaya 10y ago
> immense suffering to expand outward undefinitely Reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O5h4enjrHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O5h4enjrHw around the 2:30 mark.
blacksmith_tb 10y ago
Certainly one possible way human suffering might be "put out" on this pale blue dot is by the extinction of H. sapiens, either by our killing ourselves off, or by some kind of serious natural catastrophe (large meteorite strike, supervolcano, etc.). So I'd suggest that it would be better to colonize the solar system before we make whatever developmental leaps that could let us transcend suffering. Otherwise we may never get the chance.
- exit 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism
- peterwoo 10y ago
  Humans killing ourselves / extinction events are incredibly unlikely over the time frame that SpaceX will exist for. They're also easier to survive or avoid than it would be to colonize Mars. Except maybe surviving a gamma ray burst -- but who knows, since it looks pretty impossible for humans to colonize a planet. On the other hand we have a chance to save the tens of billions of people who will live and die in the 21st century and experience genocide, starvation, disease, child abuse, imprisonment, other violence, etc. We're already doing it -- it's achievable. It can't wait for a Mars colony!
  - exit 10y ago
    > On the other hand we have a chance to save the tens of billions of people who will live and die in the 21st century and experience genocide, starvation, disease, child abuse, imprisonment, other violence, etc. We're already doing it -- it's achievable. It can't wait for a Mars colony! i don't follow. why do you think those horrible things wouldn't happen on an extraterrestrial colony?
    - peterwoo 10y ago
      I don't think we should put any resources into colonization activities right now. In case it's unclear, I'm agreeing with you and responding to blacksmith_tb's suggestion that "it would be better to colonize the solar system before we make whatever developmental leaps could let us transcend suffering".
      - bovermyer 10y ago
        It sounds like you have much more faith in the longevity of Earth as a viable life-supporting planet than I do. I'd love to see what data you're looking at that supports such optimism.
        peterwoo 10y ago
        I'm just saying we shouldn't abandon or postpone progress on Earth to start an impossible colonization project on Mars. Any opinion you or I have about how long Earth will remain viable is irrelevant. There's nothing else. Mars and every other body are not viable at all and we have no way to make them so.

because you want immense suffering to expand outward undefinitely, instead of being confined to one dot where there's a hopeful chance of it being put out?

by exit 10y ago

because you want immense suffering to expand outward undefinitely, instead of being confined to one dot where there's a hopeful chance of it being put out?

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deedubaya 10y ago

> immense suffering to expand outward undefinitely Reminded me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O5h4enjrHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O5h4enjrHw around the 2:30 mark.

blacksmith_tb 10y ago

Certainly one possible way human suffering might be "put out" on this pale blue dot is by the extinction of H. sapiens, either by our killing ourselves off, or by some kind of serious natural catastrophe (large meteorite strike, supervolcano, etc.). So I'd suggest that it would be better to colonize the solar system before we make whatever developmental leaps that could let us transcend suffering. Otherwise we may never get the chance.

exit 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism
peterwoo 10y ago
Humans killing ourselves / extinction events are incredibly unlikely over the time frame that SpaceX will exist for. They're also easier to survive or avoid than it would be to colonize Mars. Except maybe surviving a gamma ray burst -- but who knows, since it looks pretty impossible for humans to colonize a planet. On the other hand we have a chance to save the tens of billions of people who will live and die in the 21st century and experience genocide, starvation, disease, child abuse, imprisonment, other violence, etc. We're already doing it -- it's achievable. It can't wait for a Mars colony!
- exit 10y ago
  > On the other hand we have a chance to save the tens of billions of people who will live and die in the 21st century and experience genocide, starvation, disease, child abuse, imprisonment, other violence, etc. We're already doing it -- it's achievable. It can't wait for a Mars colony! i don't follow. why do you think those horrible things wouldn't happen on an extraterrestrial colony?
  - peterwoo 10y ago
    I don't think we should put any resources into colonization activities right now. In case it's unclear, I'm agreeing with you and responding to blacksmith_tb's suggestion that "it would be better to colonize the solar system before we make whatever developmental leaps could let us transcend suffering".
    - bovermyer 10y ago
      It sounds like you have much more faith in the longevity of Earth as a viable life-supporting planet than I do. I'd love to see what data you're looking at that supports such optimism.
      - peterwoo 10y ago
        I'm just saying we shouldn't abandon or postpone progress on Earth to start an impossible colonization project on Mars. Any opinion you or I have about how long Earth will remain viable is irrelevant. There's nothing else. Mars and every other body are not viable at all and we have no way to make them so.